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Awesome. Since you agree that there is a rather significant change made with V-sets, what do you think separating pure WOTC squads and V-set squads when rating squads?
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Mando-Matic wrote:Awesome. Since you agree that there is a rather significant change made with V-sets, what do you think separating pure WOTC squads and V-set squads when rating squads? No because it's an absolute waste of anyone's time and effort to do so. You've already been clearly given the reasons, and yet you persist with a meaningless request. This is what suggests you are simply grinding an axe to many readers. Let me clarify why your request is meaningless. 1. It's already present in the system. You simply have to search using the latest set you wish to see. 2. The squad ratings on here have always, always been a useless joke. Although they have actually be slightly better representation of the top squads being played in the last year, than any other time in the past. But the end result is the same. Don't put any stock in squad ratings. They do not have meaning. 3. You would actually decrease the numbers of ratings to non-V-set squads, thereby increasing the irrelevance of ratings, and entirely undoing your supposed goal. This is precisely because the community as a whole cares about the game as it now exists, far and away over how the game was 2 years ago. 4. The top squads of the game 2 years ago are already well established, and nearly every conceivable version has been listed, used, and recognized already. It's a dead game. You or anyone else are not going to miraculously discover some super secret squad from the past that no one knew about. So again, what the hell is the point in a MotF limited specific rating? 5. Interest is limited at best. You can clearly see from this thread that there are very, very few people at all that have any interest in separating out a special MotF only rating. Resources should not be wasted on the request of one person, without significant reasons to do so. I trust you accept each of these points, as they are basically beyond refutation. If you do, you must then admit that there really is no purpose to a MotF special rating system being created, written into the code, and added to the site. You may not realize that what you are requesting is a few hours work for someone, but without an overriding reason, it should not be done. There are far more important updates for him to work on at his convenience than doing something that you can already accomplish simply by clicking the MotF and before button on the squad search.
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Mando-Matic wrote:Awesome. Since you agree that there is a rather significant change made with V-sets, what do you think separating pure WOTC squads and V-set squads when rating squads? the ratings are just silly. how can you take them seriously, when I can have #1 squads there. is adding a separate system for v-sets only gonna help? no the horse is dead, please stop beating him
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Mando-Matic wrote:Awesome. Since you agree that there is a rather significant change made with V-sets, what do you think separating pure WOTC squads and V-set squads when rating squads? What does one thing have to do with the other there? Since the sky is more blue than it was yesterday we should separatate our peas from our carrots? I do not see the grounds on which your above statement calls for a separation.
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@billiv15: I do not have an axe to grind, I have merely strongly believed in the importance of my proposal and in my opinion I have not seen a counterargument significant and relevant enough to make me believe otherwise...except for your 2nd argument that the rating of squads is irrelevant in the first place. After much consideration, I concede that I have put (far) too much stock in the rating system for squads and that while I still think my proposal makes a lot of sense, it is not worth the trouble since rating squads is not of any true importance. I admit, my request is indeed meaningless.
1.) As for your first point: You (and several others) obviously don't understand what I am asking. I am not asking for a modifier that makes it so I can search for WOTC characters or WOTC squads separately from V-set Squads; I realize that such a function already exists and that is not the issue. What I was asking for was an addition to the site that would make it so pure WOTC squads couldn't compete with V-set squads, but, as stated, I withdraw that request. What I am still asking for is a check box (next to Restrict By Collection and Faction Pure) that would make it possible, when creating squads which, if checked, would make it so only WOTC mini's would show up. That way you could make WOTC squads far more easier because you wouldn't have to scroll through all the V-set mini's thrown in. Regardless of my convictions on this second request, I realize that I will receive the same response from yourself and pretty much everyone else, so I shall not persist.
2.) As stated, I concur with your second point.
3.) While I don't think your point is absolute as you suggest, I agree it is a good point.
4.) Your forth point is certainly not absolute truth, but it is also certainly true for most instances.
5.) I agree with your last point: it alone is a solid enough point to make me concede.
I must be a silly minded nincompoop, because I, in fact, do not accept each of your "beyond refutation" arguments. Your first point was completely wrong, but that was probably only because you didn't understand what I was saying. However, I do accept points 2 and 5 as beyond refutation and I think points 3 and 4 are good, "mostly" true arguments. While you are dead wrong that what I was asking for was already possible by simply by clicking the MotF and before button on the squad search (I never said anything about searching for squads) and 2 other points were not absolute, the remaining 2 points were, in fact, irrefutable. Therefore I give up on the continued advocating on all of my requests mentioned in this forum.
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So you are asking for a squad creation button that let's you limit it by set? I'm going to play ignorant here, but I thought bloo already did that...
As for me misinterpreting, you made mention of wanting a separate squad rating. Who am I to determine your intentions having something to do with squad creation, which to this point you hadn't mentioned?
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@ billiv15: Yes, I am asking for a check box for squad creation that makes V-set Mini's not show up when creating squads and no, such an option does not currently exist. Your misunderstanding would be fine since I mentioned this awhile ago, but it's less forgivable when you state that I had never mentioned it before and act like I was silly for expecting you to psychically decipher my thoughts, when I had in fact already plainly mentioned it before. Mando-Matic wrote:@gvos: My main point is indeed how it would be nice to have a separate function button for the V-sets when building squads and, most significantly, when rating squads.
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Wouldn't it be pretty easy to click that you own one (or more) of all WOTC sets and then when squad building just choose limit to my collection?
Then if you wanted to build a WOTC squad you would click it and if you wanted to build using everything available just leave it unclicked? That seems like it would solve your problem and be very easy to do.
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That's a pretty good idea, but the problem is that I very often create squads that include WOTC Mini's that are not in my collection, so if I used that idea then I could not create such squads. I also create squads often enough that are limited to my collection to have the need to have "My Collection" accurate so I can make squads based on what I have. So in short- good idea, doesn't cover my problem, but doesn't matter. I give up on all my requests, including this one, as I am probably the only one who would ever want to create a squad with only WOTC Mini's.
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Mando-Matic wrote:That's a pretty good idea, but the problem is that I very often create squads that include WOTC Mini's that are not in my collection, so if I used that idea then I could not create such squads. I also create squads often enough that are limited to my collection to have the need to have "My Collection" accurate so I can make squads based on what I have. So in short- good idea, doesn't cover my problem, but doesn't matter. I give up on all my requests, including this one, as I am probably the only one who would ever want to create a squad with only WOTC Mini's. Not the only one. I know there are others who would want it because they don't use Vsets. I think it would also be particularly useful for new players who have small collections. "Restrict by collection" includes the Vset pieces, which doesn't help a new player get a handle on the pieces that have in their possession. If they only have 50 pieces, they likely haven't printed out the Vset cards and don't have appropriate proxies for most of the stuff anyway. In that case, what you're requesting would be ideal for initial squad-building. I'd call it training wheels - it's not something you'd need for very long, but would lower the learning curve.
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I don't have a problem with the idea of asking for a squad creation button limited by set. I was under the impression this was done a while ago. My apologies if it wasn't. But you must admit, even in the quote you gave to supposedly counter my misunderstanding, you made it pretty clear that you were primarily concerned with squad rating. I was simply talking about squad rating issues in my above post. If you want a squad creation limitation that isn't here, by all means request one. I thought they put that in a while ago because people like to play "up to this set" tournaments. Happy to admit I'm wrong on that one.
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@ billiv15: No, unfortunately this option was never added. Thank you for the apology. I do admit, my main interest was to create separate squad rating categories, but my point was that I had brought it up before. Since you and others have convinced me that the squad rating issue is moot, my main (and only) point now is for the squad building function. That's excellent, I"m glad to have your support on adding such a function and doubly glad that such a function would be useful for enough people to make it viable! =) Thank you for happily admitting being wrong on this issue, that's big of you. @ FlyingArrow: That's also excellent! So a V-set exclusion button for squad creation would have 3 main uses/reasons to exist: tournaments that have a cap to a certain set, "training wheels," and for players like myself who tend to not use V-sets. =)
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