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countrydude82487 wrote:atmsalad wrote:Joseph blob wrote:Would the new ruling allow for people to stand in the mouse's square? No, they would still occupy that space. Allowing them to be displaced by other pieces becomes to cumbersome in a fast paced strategy game, IMO I know other games do that, but I would prefer not to have that in our game. I also dont think it should get around Adjacency. If by meaning you have to target it if it is adjacent then I agree. That mechanic would hurt shooters and not melee.
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Joseph blob wrote:@atmsalad-Ok that sounds reasonable...things can get complicated enough as it is  but my only concern then is that taking away their cover/targeting stuff could make shooters more powerful and melee even weaker. If you can't end in the mouse's square then you could in theory still use the "mouse wall" against melee heavy squads. It would vastly limit it's effectiveness though. I think we can both agree on that. You would have to essentially barricade your shooters with mouse droids and that is also somewhat map dependent. As for the still providing cover, that does go both ways. Personally I want to see mixed squads of shooters and melee played. Not just 100% melee, and this could help reach that end goal.
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atmsalad wrote:countrydude82487 wrote:atmsalad wrote:Joseph blob wrote:Would the new ruling allow for people to stand in the mouse's square? No, they would still occupy that space. Allowing them to be displaced by other pieces becomes to cumbersome in a fast paced strategy game, IMO I know other games do that, but I would prefer not to have that in our game. I also dont think it should get around Adjacency. If by meaning you have to target it if it is adjacent then I agree. That mechanic would hurt shooters and not melee. What makes a mouse droid force you to shoot it ever? because you might slip on it as you walk over it? Seriously? you are 2 squares away from Lord Vader who has 30 HP left and if you hit him twice he is dead no matter what. You have double so you cant move. But PISS!! this mouse droid just moved RIGHT NEXT TO ME!! Even though Vader is going to slice my head clean off next round I just have to attack this mouse droid. I dont know if I can hit vader with this massive hunk of metal obstructing my view (all 6 inches of it)... And If I dont think about the mouse droid right in front of me (on the ground) it can stab me or hit my arm causing me to completely miss (it cant)... OR WORSE.. what if I trip on it? That master of the force wielding a lightsaber sith lord who has killed many many people is going to have to wait! I have way more pressing matters to take care of first. I must kill this 6 inch tall mouse droid who has never caused any one damage and never will first. Its absurd. It would literally be harder and more dangerous to point your gun straight down at your own feet and shoot the stupid mouse droid than it would to just aim at vader.
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jen'ari wrote:What makes a mouse droid force you to shoot it ever? because you might slip on it as you walk over it?
Seriously?
you are 2 squares away from Lord Vader who has 30 HP left and if you hit him twice he is dead no matter what. You have double so you cant move. But PISS!! this mouse droid just moved RIGHT NEXT TO ME!!
Even though Vader is going to slice my head clean off next round I just have to attack this mouse droid. I dont know if I can hit vader with this massive hunk of metal obstructing my view (all 6 inches of it)... And If I dont think about the mouse droid right in front of me (on the ground) it can stab me or hit my arm causing me to completely miss (it cant)... OR WORSE.. what if I trip on it?
That master of the force wielding a lightsaber sith lord who has killed many many people is going to have to wait! I have way more pressing matters to take care of first. I must kill this 6 inch tall mouse droid who has never caused any one damage and never will first.
Its absurd. It would literally be harder and more dangerous to point your gun straight down at your own feet and shoot the stupid mouse droid than it would to just aim at vader. Touche salesman, touche! lol
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Here's my solution to the issue lets ban Mouse Droids altogether and then create this in Set 12
MSE Droid
Cost: 3
HP: 10
Def: 13
Att: -
Dmg: -
Relay Orders
Diminuitive (Does not provide cover and cannot obstruct movement.)
Then we still get the essence of the mouse but don't have to deal with the insane defense etc.
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So what about yoda? or ugnaughts or any of the other small based characters. Should the mouse droid be the only exception to the rule? Honestly asking, not picking a fight :)
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atmsalad wrote:So what about yoda? or ugnaughts or any of the other small based characters. Should the mouse droid be the only exception to the rule? Honestly asking, not picking a fight :) As for right now, it would only be mouse droids. There is a very distinct difference in Yoda and a mouse droid in size and ability. Yoda can slice your arm off or use the force to move your arm. he is a very viable threat to you trying to aim your gun at someone else. An ugnaught can attack you, tackle you, hit your arm, etc. A mouse droid is 25 centimeters tall (which is almost 10 inches) An ugnaught is roughly 1.3 meters tall (which is a tad over 4 feet) So a mouse droid goes up to mid-shin and an ugnaught goes up to above your waist. That is the difference and that is why I love the tiny base size option. * love Spryguy's suggestion by the way.
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jen'ari wrote:As for right now, it would only be mouse droids.
There is a very distinct difference in Yoda and a mouse droid in size and ability.
Yoda can slice your arm off or use the force to move your arm. he is a very viable threat to you trying to aim your gun at someone else.
An ugnaught can attack you, tackle you, hit your arm, etc.
A mouse droid is 25 centimeters tall (which is almost 10 inches)
An ugnaught is roughly 1.3 meters tall (which is a tad over 4 feet)
So a mouse droid goes up to mid-shin and an ugnaught goes up to above your waist. That is the difference and that is why I love the tiny base size option. Quality answer, glad to have your opinion jen'ari.
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atmsalad wrote:So what about yoda? or ugnaughts or any of the other small based characters. Should the mouse droid be the only exception to the rule? Honestly asking, not picking a fight :) The uggie doesn't have a 20 defense. You can't spam Real "Yoda" yes you can have a whole squad on Yoda as proxies but thats different looking at Jason lol. If there was more sniper, AS, different ways do area damage that people wanted to use I think it would be less of a problem. Why not have a cheaper shooter that has splash? I think its more a NPE than a real problem if you plan for it. I think changing the floor rules is in the right direction and I think should of happened before Gencon.
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spryguy1981 wrote:Here's my solution to the issue lets ban Mouse Droids altogether and then create this in Set 12
MSE Droid
Cost: 3
HP: 10
Def: 13
Att: -
Dmg: -
Relay Orders
Diminuitive (Does not provide cover and cannot obstruct movement.)
Then we still get the essence of the mouse but don't have to deal with the insane defense etc. Thats not smart to ban them why not add something in the FAQ that makes it so they can't prove cover. I would be open to just adding Diminuitive as a errata. The game is so past what WOTC made I really think its fine to fix something that is a problem for the game and will get more people playing.
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Jonnyb815 wrote:The game is so past what WOTC made I really think its fine to fix something that is a problem for the game and will get more people playing. I love this!! wish everyone thought this way
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Jonnyb815 wrote:Thats not smart to ban them why not add something in the FAQ that makes it so they can't prove cover. I would be open to just adding Diminuitive as a errata. The game is so past what WOTC made I really think its fine to fix something that is a problem for the game and will get more people playing. Jonny, a year ago you would have never said this. This is awesome! +1
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atmsalad wrote:jen'ari wrote:As for right now, it would only be mouse droids.
There is a very distinct difference in Yoda and a mouse droid in size and ability.
Yoda can slice your arm off or use the force to move your arm. he is a very viable threat to you trying to aim your gun at someone else.
An ugnaught can attack you, tackle you, hit your arm, etc.
A mouse droid is 25 centimeters tall (which is almost 10 inches)
An ugnaught is roughly 1.3 meters tall (which is a tad over 4 feet)
So a mouse droid goes up to mid-shin and an ugnaught goes up to above your waist. That is the difference and that is why I love the tiny base size option. Quality answer, glad to have your opinion jen'ari. I just love that the answer was in metric!
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Jonnyb815 wrote:[quote=spryguy1981]Here's my solution to the issue lets ban Mouse Droids altogether and then create this in Set 12
MSE Droid
Cost: 3
HP: 10
Def: 13
Att: -
Dmg: -
Relay Orders
Diminuitive (Does not provide cover and cannot obstruct movement.)
Then we still get the essence of the mouse but don't have to deal with the insane defense etc. I like the diminutuive idea but if they don't provide cover and cannot hinder movement then the high def. isn't really an issue and in fact is a good thing as it helps their survivability which was the whole point of the high Def. in the first place. It's only really a good tactic to use them as walls/ cover screen because of the high Def.
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Yeah, I like Spry's suggestion, but with the Diminutive SA they can keep their 20 Def. After all, even in the RPG there are Defense bonuses for smaller creatures. There will now be no reason to shoot a mouse...unless you're actually desiring to shoot the mouse (ie, to remove Relay Orders)...and they should remain hard to hit in that case.
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thereisnotry wrote:Yeah, I like Spry's suggestion, but with the Diminutive SA they can keep their 20 Def. After all, even in the RPG there are Defense bonuses for smaller creatures. There will now be no reason to shoot a mouse...unless you're actually desiring to shoot the mouse (ie, to remove Relay Orders)...and they should remain hard to hit in that case.
Big +1. Jen'ari's epic rant about Mouse Droids was pretty awesome, but the same reasoning can be used to support 20 Defense.
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The issue with giving the piece a new SA is that a reprint and circulation would then be required. By creating a new glossary term and reclassifying the mouse droid would be cheaper and easier. IMO
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