Sure, this works is you out activate Daala with Sith.

But you can't.

I guess it's worth checking? If some of the other suggested changes got made (eg dropping charging fire +10 to charging fire, rapport, zygerrians), Elite Scout Troopers wouldn't be too badly affected. Right now I wouldn't run them, as I think they get clownstomped by the 4 point Troopers with more activations and masses of damage a lot of the time, but if you take those out, they're still pretty good.

Reven swaps himself out. So you would have to get Reven past the walls. And depending on what build (Paleon) then the bomb would never work anyways because of his bubble.

Forgive me if I am mistaken (since I don't play competitively), but isn't that the definition of a broken squad? The fact that only one squad has even a chance to beat it, and that any other squad just isn't worth playing? Because that sounds pretty broken to me.

That's why I suggested playing it against last season's Tier 1 builds. The matches should be real matches - not a complete stomping. Well maybe 1 or 2 squads get totally stomped. The meta rotates somewhat at times, but if only 1 or 2 even stand a chance, then that's a problem.


PLAY REPORT
I just played a GGDAC/Single Lancer versus Daala (Pellaeon, 10 snows, 2 raxus, czerka, 3 zyg). Neither squad was optimized, but Daala was closer to optimized than the Lancer squad. Out-activates 25-20 - neither brings Ozzel/San Hill. Played on Alien Warzone (Vong-Coruscant from JC Map Pack 5).

Daala sets up outside. Squad is split with half of the squad in each of the 'strafe safe' hallways on either side of the map. Both sides move forward first round. Center door is locked first round.

Second round, Lancer strafes. Takes out 7 troopers but dies immediately. He got more than he should have because the troopers should have been split up more.

The poggle bombs get launched out and several of them do damage or take out the scrubs. One of them (pawned) catches a trooper. The remaining troopers get some shots on GGDAC, Sidious, IG-86 so that all 3 are down to 10 or 20hp. All trooper followers are defeated. The commanders clean things up. The Zygerrians played no major role in the match. Positioning helped, but no uber-deep strike. Considered one attempt on Poggle, but there were too many closed doors in the way.

Not sure how helpful it is to have a report of suboptimal squads played with mediocre play by some knucklehead (me). But there you have it.


My take-aways... more troopers is better. This was a 12 trooper build. 15-18 would have been better at the expense of some tech/commanders. NPE Extreme would win against the Daala build I used. Dr Daman's Raxus deep strike would have been able to catch it first round if he out-activated by enough.

just play tested my idea of the revan/kaan deep bomb and found out the hard way that Jake and Tim are correct that A:Revan swaps himself and can't get there, and B:Without out activating the Dalaa squad you can't get the Mynock far enough without places to land hidden from the troopers on the way. If you switched out Revan for the Sith Sidious that lets you swap it might be viable on the right map, but still unlikely without the edge in activations which as Tim pointed out, you're not going to get running Sith. I also realized that almost none of the Imp Commanders would be killed outright by the bomb unless they fail the save, and that probably makes it to risky a proposition anyway. I have seen lightning used against the snowtrooper build and it seems like some sort of direct damage area effect may be something that could be tried as they have to stay at least reasonably close together to get the squad bonuses. I know Ace Ace mentioned using gungan artillerists and tarpals, might be interesting to try that or a nightsister sithwitch build.

Theory crafting, but I wouldn't give the Gungans much of a chance. The Imperial player might have to play carefully, but can still probably hang back, outactivate, send a couple of deep strikers in each round, and trade for a bigger piece each time. If there was a good movement breaker for Jar Jar on Kaadu, maybe it would work, but otherwise it feels like you're relying on mistakes from your opponent (bunching pieces for big Cestas or for a big Jar Jar run). Interested to hear reasons I might be wrong though.

The good thing about Tarpals is that his commander effect is rangeless, so you can lock him in a room, which makes him hard to get at. As opposed to the Republic deathshot squads, where a door has to be opened somewhere or the squad has to be tweaked to use a Mouse Droid or two.

How do you think this squad would perform against Daala?: http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/135540/battle-on-the-plains-of-naboo

I'm sure there are better Gungan squads out there, of course.

with my Raxus squad, I'd back myself to be able to deep strike jar jar and use flim for a second shot at him. After that it should be pretty easy pick of any gungans.