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shmi15 wrote:Deaths_Baine wrote:shmi15 wrote:Wait..... I just thought of something... If Baze had to shoot a trooper twice to kill him... why should his damage be 20! Wouldn't that show how weak his gun is if a trooper took 2 shots? Or does the trooper taking 2 shots, only show that twin should be an option....
Why does his attack need to be higher than an 8? What proof do you have? He shot troopers over and over? Ok... Congratulations. I think we all could shoot troopers over and over if they are just standing around.
But again.... I think you keep forgetting that I am agreeing with you that his stats aren't the greatest, nor the best representation. But for what he does, and how the faction functions in general, it works.
If you were to create Baze, how would you envision him?
And I hate Bothans... And their transmissions. I'm only interested in the final and complete stat block of this character. why does han solo's attack need to be higher then an 8? or his damage greater then 10.... you could say that about any shooter in the movies almost. Wait a minute... Did we just compromise.... Did you just agree that attack value is subjective... because it really could be anything!!!! I knew I always loved you  that would make sense if that were the precedent set by wizards.... 191 unique non melee pieces were made by wizards. 93 have 20+ base damage 72 have 10 the interesting thing is that that 72 includes pieces like mara jade 120 damage output, aura sing-lightsaber and jedi hunter of the 10 damage pieces I think 38 or so give or take don't have a damage boost of their own, and those include some of the best commanders in the game, thrawn, whorm, reikan, Dodona, lol. so yeah, dude should follow the precedent of wizards and have 20+ easily on his own.
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Deaths_Baine wrote:that would make sense if that were the precedent set by wizards.... Luke, RC has Attack 8. Luke, Champion has Attack 14. They both represent Luke from Return of the Jedi. Seems like there's a lot of leeway for choosing an attack value.
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I am here to address direct questions from shmi15.
My personal staying point for a baze has already been designed and posted.
I know you want to see it so you can try to put it under a microscope and tear it apart. So go ahead. I would welcome some help with "you're welcome" to make sure it works well.
Why should he have an attack higher than an 8? Because he shot from a massive distance with perfect accuracy, because he killed seven troopers in a second having to spray them while I'm was standing in front of them. He had to make his gun Dodge imwe while having one of the fastest and most accurate feats with a gun I have seen in star wars. He also shot every single person in his last walk and did not miss even after being shot twice falling to the ground. This level of accuracy (maybe distance, shooting super fast while missing his friend who is in front of the targets, and killing people accurately while being shot and wounded) is not seen at all. With that said you saw Stormtroopers missing alot, his attack would be way higher than theres. Greedo missed for instance.. from two feet away.. his shot is almost perfect. It is a unique attack that cannot be replicated easily or by just anyone.
That is why his attack should be high
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FlyingArrow wrote:Deaths_Baine wrote:that would make sense if that were the precedent set by wizards.... Luke, RC has Attack 8. Luke, Champion has Attack 14. They both represent Luke from Return of the Jedi. Seems like there's a lot of leeway for choosing an attack value. luke rebel commando also has cunning attack making it a 12.... not really a lot of leeway there....
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jen'ari wrote:Why should he have an attack higher than an 8? Because he shot from a massive distance with perfect accuracy, because he killed seven troopers in a second having to spray them while I'm was standing in front of them. He had to make his gun Dodge imwe while having one of the fastest and most accurate feats with a gun I have seen in star wars. He also shot every single person in his last walk and did not miss even after being shot twice falling to the ground. This level of accuracy (maybe distance, shooting super fast while missing his friend who is in front of the targets, and killing people accurately while being shot and wounded) is not seen at all. With that said you saw Stormtroopers missing alot, his attack would be way higher than theres. Greedo missed for instance.. from two feet away.. his shot is almost perfect. It is a unique attack that cannot be replicated easily or by just anyone.
That is why his attack should be high I appreciate the tone of this paragraph. Thank you.
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Deaths_Baine wrote:luke rebel commando also has cunning attack making it a 12.... not really a lot of leeway there.... If you look at it that way, I guess you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.
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FlyingArrow wrote:Deaths_Baine wrote:luke rebel commando also has cunning attack making it a 12.... not really a lot of leeway there.... If you look at it that way, I guess you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. its all good I respect you and your knowledge when it comes to minis... I am mainly focusing on very specific things and people I have dealt with in the past that I know are bad for the game. you are not one of those people in my opinion.
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jen'ari wrote:I am here to address direct questions from shmi15.
My personal staying point for a baze has already been designed and posted.
I know you want to see it so you can try to put it under a microscope and tear it apart. So go ahead. I would welcome some help with "you're welcome" to make sure it works well.
Why should he have an attack higher than an 8? Because he shot from a massive distance with perfect accuracy, because he killed seven troopers in a second having to spray them while I'm was standing in front of them. He had to make his gun Dodge imwe while having one of the fastest and most accurate feats with a gun I have seen in star wars. He also shot every single person in his last walk and did not miss even after being shot twice falling to the ground. This level of accuracy (maybe distance, shooting super fast while missing his friend who is in front of the targets, and killing people accurately while being shot and wounded) is not seen at all. With that said you saw Stormtroopers missing alot, his attack would be way higher than theres. Greedo missed for instance.. from two feet away.. his shot is almost perfect. It is a unique attack that cannot be replicated easily or by just anyone.
That is why his attack should be high Wait!! wait! dont introduce the Han Shot First vs Second Argument! dont do it, just dont do it! 
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Well, I for one feel like I am good with everything I have said in here, and feel good about the points every side has made. so I'm ready for a new piece wooot woooottt spoilers and talk baby spoilers and talk 
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Deaths_Baine wrote:Well, I for one feel like I am good with everything I have said in here, and feel good about the points every side has made. so I'm ready for a new piece wooot woooottt spoilers and talk baby spoilers and talk I'll let Bryan do the honors here. Check out Booster Terrik in the spoiler thread!
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TimmerB123 wrote:Deaths_Baine wrote:Well, I for one feel like I am good with everything I have said in here, and feel good about the points every side has made. so I'm ready for a new piece wooot woooottt spoilers and talk baby spoilers and talk I'll let Bryan do the honors here. Check out Booster Terrik in the spoiler thread! I LOVE BOOSTER (haven't looked over that stats fully) but, !! errant venture for the win
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Could we all agree instead of Furious Assault, Baze could have the ability that Poe Dameron has?
Predictable Targets -(Replaces attacks: Can attack a legal target and every legal target with the same name once)
He isn't running 12 squares, only 6.
He wouldn't need single shot blaster then, because this ability prohibits twinning.
He literally only shoots storm troopers and death troopers. So any swarm squad he would mow down.
How is that for a part compromise! Bam!
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Just for giggles, I'm watching Rogue One right now. And Baze actually misses a whole lot in the movie... He drains the 5/6 troopers surrounding Chirrut early, has to reshoot one, which shows his gun isn't as all mighty as it might sound to be. But during the battle of Scariff, he kinda just lays cover fire... I'm not sure it shows him killing anyone until after Chirrut dies... Which would make the Synergy with him ever more movie like.
So his attack is definitely subjective. Because he can either shoot 6 people standing still, or miss everything he shoots at. And every Death trooper he shoots is jumping out of cover, coming towards him. So if anything, he should have a low attack, that is bumped either 2 or 4 while within 6 squares of his target. Thats probably the most flavorfulthing he could have
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shmi15 wrote:Could we all agree instead of Furious Assault, Baze could have the ability that Poe Dameron has?
Predictable Targets -(Replaces attacks: Can attack a legal target and every legal target with the same name once)
He isn't running 12 squares, only 6.
He wouldn't need single shot blaster then, because this ability prohibits twinning.
He literally only shoots storm troopers and death troopers. So any swarm squad he would mow down.
How is that for a part compromise! Bam!
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Just for giggles, I'm watching Rogue One right now. And Baze actually misses a whole lot in the movie... He drains the 5/6 troopers surrounding Chirrut early, has to reshoot one, which shows his gun isn't as all mighty as it might sound to be. But during the battle of Scariff, he kinda just lays cover fire... I'm not sure it shows him killing anyone until after Chirrut dies... Which would make the Synergy with him ever more movie like.
So his attack is definitely subjective. Because he can either shoot 6 people standing still, or miss everything he shoots at. And every Death trooper he shoots is jumping out of cover, coming towards him. So if anything, he should have a low attack, that is bumped either 2 or 4 while within 6 squares of his target. Thats probably the most flavorfulthing he could have Actually he could still use "Twin" with "Predictable Targets", but him having it wouldn't matter as much if he didn't have furious. Also, the Bith BSV has an ability that increases atk within 6. However, it sounds like it is probably to late to make any changes to the characters at this point. Play testing is over and done with, so any changes made would be quite blind in their potential impact.
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Cards have been officially sent to the printer, so no changes are possible.
Side note - I don't think "micro vision" would be correct flavor.
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shmi15 wrote:Could we all agree instead of Furious Assault, Baze could have the ability that Poe Dameron has? NO!  Why is Furious Assault such a problem? You say he moved 6 spaces not 12... well guess what to Furious assault you DO NOT have to move the maximum number of spaces, you just have to move 1.
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shmi15 wrote:Could we all agree instead of Furious Assault, Baze could have the ability that Poe Dameron has?
Naa, this is far more useful. And anyway, he just shoots a bunch of stormies dead from off camera, whats to say he didn't sprint to get into position? Sheesh, talk about splitting hairs. He shoots lots of things, like in the film.
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what else did he do in the film other than shoot stormies?
It feels like there was another epic scene where his target was a bit bigger
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fingersandteeth wrote:shmi15 wrote:Could we all agree instead of Furious Assault, Baze could have the ability that Poe Dameron has?
Naa, this is far more useful. And anyway, he just shoots a bunch of stormies dead from off camera, whats to say he didn't sprint to get into position? Sheesh, talk about splitting hairs. He shoots lots of things, like in the film. the movie. the movie says he didnt sprint to get into position... every. single. time. Missiles 30 is brilliant. It is a fun looking stat block. p.s. I need to learn how to post cool gifs like that missile launch p.p.s. that custom choice is cool too
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