HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Best. Reveal. EVER!!!

Mic Drop. And, further to that point. When Chirrut dies, Baze runs up to him... And then proceeds to walk around shooting.. So maybe. we can imagine this furious assault as a 6 square sprint, and then a 6square walk, which ends in atacking! lol

Here's another source referenced during design.

http://www.businessinsider.sg/everything-we-know-about-star-wars-rogue-one/24/

Here’s everything we know about the upcoming ‘Star Wars’ movie, ‘Rogue One’

"JIang Wen plays Baze Malbus, a fighter unafraid to run into battle. He is friends with Chirrut."

Then it shows that image of Baze running on Scariff.

padawan? I take that as an offensive thing to say it is kind of the Star Wars equivalent of calling someone a child.



I bolded some words for you.
Design is not built around possibilities. Design is built around facts.
16 seconds... I can walk the distance required in 5 seconds, with ease.
This is the best argument I have heard thus far but still falls short of proving furious assault or showing that he has the ability to move 12 squares and than shoot everyone all in one phase.

I am starting to believe that people have not thought very hard about what this game reperesents in "real time"
In real time GRAND MASTER, Luke Skywalker (THE GRANDMASTER!) can attack 6 times.
Do you know how many times Imwe attacked from the :51 second point to the end of the first wave of stormtroopers?
8 times.
than he had time to step around and wait for the next stormtroopers.
So Imwe clearly took more than 1 "activation" to do all that.

You are trying to prove something by using guesswork. You are literally not saying anything other than it is a possibility.
Which does not fit into design at all. Nor does it fit into a rational discussion other than to discuss possibility, not reality. You cannot give someone credit for something without proving it happened. That is the whole point of this thread. (well not the original intent..)

Now than 16 seconds is kind of a life time. Baze starts walking out, sees the fight, gets ready, but Imwe has it under control and than he sees the stormtroopers and than shoots them. This narrative fits most likely.

But for you to sit here smug and say, where did he come from? "We don't know" and than act like all the sudden he did what is considered a furious assault is the absence of real thought. Real thought says, if you do not know you cannot form a fact. (literally the meaning of not knowing).

However, you can form the best educated guess you can muster.
Since Imwe had to have activated more than once, we assume Baze had to as well. First to move, second to fire.

However, when we are talking about feats the only thing we can surmise is that he had 16 seconds to get there and set up his gun and than fire.
If he started WALKING out as soon as the camera moved he would have been set up and kneeling for 10 seconds before firing on the stormtroopers. He had all the time in the world.

Here is a video of Obi-wan vs Anakin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40HhaIJ0QVw

start at 1:45 look at it for 9 seconds (the same amount of time for Imwe to defeat the stormtroopers from the time we no longer see the spot Baze is at.) you will see probably 20 lightsaber attacks.

Think about Cad Bane with Furious Assault, he has jet packs with his flight. This is the type of speed we are talking about. Or a sprinting Han Solo. This is not a 16 seconds of time type ability. Phases happen very very quickly in this game. Literally the time it takes to muster up a force push, or attack 4 times or even 2 times.

Now the time for phases varies and this is a hard thing to fix. But the range is never 16 seconds or even close... Yoda on Kybuck seems like it might take a while, but kybuck's can apparently run 50 mph. (25 yards, 75 feet in a second, which calculates to 15 squares in 1 second).

The range of time for a phase should be from a minimum of about 1 second (2 jedi attacks).

10 yards (6 squares) and an attack. if average person can run ten yards (6 squares) (10 MPH) in 2 seconds and 1 second for the attack.. you think 3-4 seconds per phase as a maximum.
IG lancer droids (on swoop bikes) max speed is 370 miles per hour.

So phases do make a precedent for how much time is allotted. Lets say it is an average of 3 seconds just to be lenient. That means Imwe took roughly 3 activations. We could even stretch it to say 2 activations if we wanted.

Baze had enough time to take 5 activations (16 seconds) or if lenient with the 4 second he had 4 activations.

Your concept of time is skewed. (I thought this kind of stuff was understood...)

So lets say Baze has 4 seconds for his Phase and is doing a 12 square run and shoots everyone... 1 second to shoot every single person and the rest to move. 60 feet in 3 seconds means he is running 13.5 MPH. with a ton of weight on him while holding a big gun... Have you all tried to run 13.5 MPH? this is an incredible feat for a 53 year old man. and this is giving him 4 seconds, if we stick with the 3 seconds and giving him 1 to shoot everyone it jumps to 20 MPH. We have seen him running before, it is not anywhere near 13.5 MPH.
So this is giving him the benefit of the doubt of 4 seconds (I think is absurd) and giving him the benefit of the doubt that he can turn a full circle and shoot every single person in 1 second (which sometimes it will take at least 2 seconds to do (6 people all in different directions).

I hope this is making sense.
The bottom line is that Baze had 16 seconds. We know that Imwe had to have "activated" at the bare minimum 2 times in 9 seconds. Baze had 16 seconds.
He had time to activate 4 times...
You cannot simply make up feats based off of nonexistent data. It is not allowed. Especially since all other data points to a whole different conclusion. That he is slow.


So yes, the movie says he does not sprint to get into position. He definitely does not look like he just sprinted.

umm what the piss is going on here?

to further the point he ran up to a dying Imwe and that means something?

Are you kidding me, you are blind (get it Imwe is blind)

They have a lot of time inbetween them. Do you really not understand how these things work??
There are a hundred things that happen between the time he runs to Imwe and the time he starts walking, shooting, walking, shooting, getting shot, shooting, getting shot, falling, shooting, grenade blows up.
I mean c'mon, it takes 17 seconds to do all that. he only takes about 10 steps in his whole advance. if each step is 2.5 feet that is 25 feet which is 5 squares. Which averages to about 1 MPH. granted he is getting shot and stopping but estimated total distance by time is 1 roughly 1 MPH.
this should be about 4 or 5 activations all total.

Is there a the real-time representation of Thrawn swapping characters?
Translating facts & natural laws (Time) into a playable Rules Set is called Role-Playing. The Star Wars Miniatures Game has more in common with Gary Gyax's 1971s Chainmail than a Role-Playing Game. Gyax's Chainmail used Miniatures and simple game mechanics to abstractly represent concepts, strategies, and tactics. That game inspired him to abandon abstract miniatures skirmishes 3 years later and focus on shared storytelling, or the first R.P.G. Dungeons& Dragons.

It's a common misconception to think The Star Wars Miniature game is based from a role-playing game.
It does share elements with the RPG, but Star Wars Minis is not a role-playing game, it's just a war game.

Sorry, I didn't realize the burden of proof I'd be subjected to at the time or I would have kept a daily diary, but you won't take me at my word so it'd been pointless anyways.

I thought Chirrut's probably sitting there on them stairs waiting on Baze's slow butt to catch up. Then when Baze gets to the stairs and sees what's was happening he rushes forward to shoot up a bunch of Stormtrooper dudes. It did happen suddenly from off camera for dramatic effect. So I believed he came in Fast & Furious to Assault the Stormtroopers. However, I had no idea the distance traveled...
I really should have built a recreation of the set and taken exact measurements.

Yes, I design with function in mind and most sane people want me to.

Post subject: Welcome aboard!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:53 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
It's official!

Jake, Bryan, Lillian welcome to the Vset 14 design team.

Looking forward to working with each if you.

-Tim

We start researching and planning months before a film or episode comes out.
I like to find out as much information as possible and be well prepared to analyze a character's scenes.
I watched Rogue One 4 different times, but I do think that article saying, "not afraid to run into battle" influenced me.
Apparently, you feel we failed in that regard . . .
Sorry it has been so upsetting for you.

Gentlemen, I would just like to point out that nobody runs 60 feet, stops, and THEN shoots everyone in sight. Nobody.

Furious Assault is not really flavor-accurate on Baze Malbus, Han Solo, Cad Bane, anyone. If you ARE going to pull a stunt like that, you are shooting as you run. (In fact, Han Solo never even actually Furious Assaults in the movie. He runs a long ways, and shoots ONE Stormtrooper. That's Charging Fire, not Furious Assault).

If you have a pistol or a rifle, you're going to be shooting as you run. IF, however, you have a heavy chaingun sort of weapon, it'll probably be more comfortable to run the full distance, and then stop and shoot - like we see clones with heavy repeaters do most of the time, like we see the Old Republic trooper in the "Returned" cinematic. Of all characters with Furious Assault, this is most consistent with Baze's weapon.

If Baze shouldn't have Furious Assault, nobody should.

Can bane does do a version of it, but he does it while flying and I think there was only two opponents. Han Solo definitely does not do it and I never understood it, but he was sprinting at least, the 12 squares part seems more legit.
There might be a time when Jango Fett has done it, once again while flying.
Without knowing everything about him, it fits the personality of Jace Malcolm and Durge and for some reason I feel like Cade Skywalker could have it, with research of course.

Like a lot of abilities, it is a tiny bit of a stretch, but for some characters it is too much of a stretch because of lack of mobility. There are lots of abilities that stretch what happens, but keep it reasonable.

@darkdracul about ce and time.
Ce's to me are effects that are always going on, they are ever present with the commander itself or trigger at a certain time there shouldn't be one and done ce's in my opinion (those should be special abilities). I have always felt that swap is the worst of these. I hate that there is board wide swap available and that ce's are limitless. In legends we got rid of board wide ce's and booming voice.
Swap was originally for within 6 squares, probably for a time restraint quality on it.
If it was me I would make swap activate the character and than allow each swapped character to make one attack.
But I do not think they foresaw the abuse or did not care about the functional/flavor of board wide swap.
Like I said before CE's are the biggest and most likely things to be "subjective".

I've been staring at that gif for about twenty minutes now and it's really bothering me that the AT-AT head seems to move way to long after the missile hits.

Good point! However, I would like to say that not even Darth Bane could one-shot a Death Trooper.

This is where Minis gets really fuzzy compared to how things really happen. Nobody should be able to take a full swing with a lightsaber (without dodging/parrying/armor) and still be in fighting condition, much less alive.

Droidekas without shields can't be taken down in one hit by most Jedi.

It is most certainly weird - a lone Baze could lose against a lone Dark Trooper - but to remedy that would require that Baze be able to be boosted to at least 50 damage a hit (I think Dark Troopers are worthy of at least 50 HP) and Dark Troopers get nerfed to 50 HP.