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Kamikaze13
Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 1:05:45 PM
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Well it's about time for an assassin, especially Considering we got how many last set? Angry
But anyway the rodian assassin is an excellent filler.ThumpUp
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AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho
Darthbane53
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AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


If I were you I would watch the episode. In my opinion it was one of the best, and now I'm one of, and maybe the only Embo Fan boy. Sure thats why/how the made the character to be but hes so amazing.
dreadtech
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adamb0nd wrote:
AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


+1
AdmiralMotti89
Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:52:13 PM
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The dude throws his hat. It's not creative, and it just shows that they are running out of "new" ideas.
Sithborg
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AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
The dude throws his hat. It's not creative, and it just shows that they are running out of "new" ideas.


I wouldn't critisize without seeing the main episode he was in, generally one of the best of that season. It may not be the most original idea, but his execution is pretty nice. We just need his pet wolf now.
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Next there'll be a Clone Wars character that throws a shoe... who throws a shoe?!
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This guy, I just wish he had more then a printed attack value of +5...
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I really like the Rodian Assassin as a nice, cheap BH piece. I think he has some great potential!
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George Dubya has Evade. Who knew!
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kezzamachine wrote:
George Dubya has Evade. Who knew!


He completely nerfs the new Random Task mini.
Bob Chizo
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AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
The dude throws his hat. It's not creative, and it just shows that they are running out of "new" ideas.


I concur.
crazybirdman
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adamb0nd wrote:
AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.

adamb0nd
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crazybirdman wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.



Well, people give the clone wars a really bad wrap because its "a kids show". I think anyone who says that has clearly not seen it, and should look at the big picture.

1. Lucas messed up star wars pretty badly with the prequels, but if you're anything like me (and I know I am), you're a fan boy and find a way to enjoy them anyways.
2. The clone wars makes the best out of a lousy situation. While I will always think the OT is superior nearly every way, I think the Clone wars is extremely redeeming of the PT, and at least lets me care for the characters and story in a way that the PT didnt. . For example, I absolutely hated ahsoka from the second I saw her in the clone wars movie, which I interpreted as a cash cow on the the star wars franchise, and ahsoka as a Mary Sue. At some point during season 2, she really grew on me. She's a lot like anakin, but was written in a way that her character actually really grew on me, where as anakin basically ruined darth vader for me due to the horrible character development, choice of actor, and script that the movies presented. Its nice to have characters that I can root for again.

3. This is NOT a kids show. I'd say the violence (though cartoon) is on par with episode 3, which was a pg-13 movie. If you watch them on dvd/blue ray, there are scenes that are included that they couldn't show on TV because of their brutality (Ventress and her kiss of doom, for example). Other scenes are extremely unsettling (Cad Bane's interrogation).

I see a lot of hate on this show... but I genuinely believe that most of the rants are from people who have not really given it a chance. I know there was an uproar based on some of the retconning that they did to the mandalorians for example... but I think anyone who was that upset really missed out on some awesome character development for obiwan. I mean, that particular episode really showed how human he was, which is something that we don't get to see (in the movies) from many jedi outside of Luke.

The show isn't perfect. Some times its silly, some times there are plot holes... but I think over all its really quality. Hell, it even redeems characters like Jar Jar (can't believe i'm saying this) who are not nearly so bad when they aren't on screen for 2 hours... but rather show up once in a bloo moon (see what I did there) for one episode. It allows you to sit back, say "ok, this is going to be a funny episode, and I should approach it as such", rather than having to find a way to be ok with him when he's all over a movie you want to take seriously but cant.
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crazybirdman wrote:
Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.


From what I heard, My Little Brony is an amazing show and is even better than Episode II, lol.
kezzamachine
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I don't care how good/bad Clone Wars or other things are. Give me more! (Did Bush turn to the Dark Side?)
gwek
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adamb0nd wrote:
crazybirdman wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.



Well, people give the clone wars a really bad wrap because its "a kids show". I think anyone who says that has clearly not seen it, and should look at the big picture.

1. Lucas messed up star wars pretty badly with the prequels, but if you're anything like me (and I know I am), you're a fan boy and find a way to enjoy them anyways.
2. The clone wars makes the best out of a lousy situation. While I will always think the OT is superior nearly every way, I think the Clone wars is extremely redeeming of the PT, and at least lets me care for the characters and story in a way that the PT didnt. . For example, I absolutely hated ahsoka from the second I saw her in the clone wars movie, which I interpreted as a cash cow on the the star wars franchise, and ahsoka as a Mary Sue. At some point during season 2, she really grew on me. She's a lot like anakin, but was written in a way that her character actually really grew on me, where as anakin basically ruined darth vader for me due to the horrible character development, choice of actor, and script that the movies presented. Its nice to have characters that I can root for again.

3. This is NOT a kids show. I'd say the violence (though cartoon) is on par with episode 3, which was a pg-13 movie. If you watch them on dvd/blue ray, there are scenes that are included that they couldn't show on TV because of their brutality (Ventress and her kiss of doom, for example). Other scenes are extremely unsettling (Cad Bane's interrogation).

I see a lot of hate on this show... but I genuinely believe that most of the rants are from people who have not really given it a chance. I know there was an uproar based on some of the retconning that they did to the mandalorians for example... but I think anyone who was that upset really missed out on some awesome character development for obiwan. I mean, that particular episode really showed how human he was, which is something that we don't get to see (in the movies) from many jedi outside of Luke.

The show isn't perfect. Some times its silly, some times there are plot holes... but I think over all its really quality. Hell, it even redeems characters like Jar Jar (can't believe i'm saying this) who are not nearly so bad when they aren't on screen for 2 hours... but rather show up once in a bloo moon (see what I did there) for one episode. It allows you to sit back, say "ok, this is going to be a funny episode, and I should approach it as such", rather than having to find a way to be ok with him when he's all over a movie you want to take seriously but cant.


I agree with most of your comments. The show is actually quite good most of the time. Honestly, I think it has a better success ratio than most genre shows. For my money, the show is not unlike BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, which is an amazing show--but ONLY if you can get past the premise (which I could, and which probably 90% of the people I recommended the show to could, but 10% were all "How could a show like that POSSIBLY be good?")

You make note of the "uproar" over the Mandalorians, which I think was ridiculous (not that you brought it up, but that people got upset). The animated series is very respectful in it's depiction, and although the Mandos we see in the cartoon are of a very different flavor than what we see in the EU, what most people seem to forget (or are unaware of) is that the cartoon pitches the Mandos in such a way that the EU Mandos are still a perfectly valid option (albeit with a few very, very minor changes). I think the real problem was that Traviss basically become too proprietary and had a meltdown when George Lucas dared touch "her" Mandalorians.

Which, again, is ridiculous. Like it or not, Star Wars is GL's playpen. He's made a few mis-steps, but he's done right by us far more than he's done wrong. Anything from the EU is essentially fan fiction (well-paid, bestselling fan fiction, but fan fiction nonetheless).

Now, back to the regularly scheduled discussion...
komix
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gwek wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
crazybirdman wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.



Well, people give the clone wars a really bad wrap because its "a kids show". I think anyone who says that has clearly not seen it, and should look at the big picture.

1. Lucas messed up star wars pretty badly with the prequels, but if you're anything like me (and I know I am), you're a fan boy and find a way to enjoy them anyways.
2. The clone wars makes the best out of a lousy situation. While I will always think the OT is superior nearly every way, I think the Clone wars is extremely redeeming of the PT, and at least lets me care for the characters and story in a way that the PT didnt. . For example, I absolutely hated ahsoka from the second I saw her in the clone wars movie, which I interpreted as a cash cow on the the star wars franchise, and ahsoka as a Mary Sue. At some point during season 2, she really grew on me. She's a lot like anakin, but was written in a way that her character actually really grew on me, where as anakin basically ruined darth vader for me due to the horrible character development, choice of actor, and script that the movies presented. Its nice to have characters that I can root for again.

3. This is NOT a kids show. I'd say the violence (though cartoon) is on par with episode 3, which was a pg-13 movie. If you watch them on dvd/blue ray, there are scenes that are included that they couldn't show on TV because of their brutality (Ventress and her kiss of doom, for example). Other scenes are extremely unsettling (Cad Bane's interrogation).

I see a lot of hate on this show... but I genuinely believe that most of the rants are from people who have not really given it a chance. I know there was an uproar based on some of the retconning that they did to the mandalorians for example... but I think anyone who was that upset really missed out on some awesome character development for obiwan. I mean, that particular episode really showed how human he was, which is something that we don't get to see (in the movies) from many jedi outside of Luke.

The show isn't perfect. Some times its silly, some times there are plot holes... but I think over all its really quality. Hell, it even redeems characters like Jar Jar (can't believe i'm saying this) who are not nearly so bad when they aren't on screen for 2 hours... but rather show up once in a bloo moon (see what I did there) for one episode. It allows you to sit back, say "ok, this is going to be a funny episode, and I should approach it as such", rather than having to find a way to be ok with him when he's all over a movie you want to take seriously but cant.


I agree with most of your comments. The show is actually quite good most of the time. Honestly, I think it has a better success ratio than most genre shows. For my money, the show is not unlike BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, which is an amazing show--but ONLY if you can get past the premise (which I could, and which probably 90% of the people I recommended the show to could, but 10% were all "How could a show like that POSSIBLY be good?")

You make note of the "uproar" over the Mandalorians, which I think was ridiculous (not that you brought it up, but that people got upset). The animated series is very respectful in it's depiction, and although the Mandos we see in the cartoon are of a very different flavor than what we see in the EU, what most people seem to forget (or are unaware of) is that the cartoon pitches the Mandos in such a way that the EU Mandos are still a perfectly valid option (albeit with a few very, very minor changes). I think the real problem was that Traviss basically become too proprietary and had a meltdown when George Lucas dared touch "her" Mandalorians.

Which, again, is ridiculous. Like it or not, Star Wars is GL's playpen. He's made a few mis-steps, but he's done right by us far more than he's done wrong. Anything from the EU is essentially fan fiction (well-paid, bestselling fan fiction, but fan fiction nonetheless).

Now, back to the regularly scheduled discussion...


I'm not a Mando fanboy, but I prerfectly understand Traviss- for god's sake- she created their language, partialy their culture. And she was given OK from Lucas because he gave his Star Wars rights to books.
Then all of sudden he (and Filloni) is like- u know what? I don't care! This is my version, and whatever crap u told before can all go in to trash.

I get that Lucas is the CREATOR, but he should respect us better. All the things we bought and will buy...yep, that's because we are into his creation. But we have to be smart about it, and not just get and not at everything he throws at us (just for money, I understand this)
That's why I don't like KOTOR 1 and 2 (look at technology from comics Sith War, Golden Age of Sith ; then suddenly it is like in movies (maybe EVEN better)- where's the logic in that?)- same reason goes for TOR.
Clone Wars. Before this TCW project as I like to call it, between EP2 and 3 I guess we had nearly every month filled by comics, books, tv show (CW), stories. It all made perfect sense, whole thing was pretty well coordinated (not like Filloni telling us that at the end of show he will show us his board with the right chronology). blasted, even Clone Wars Adventures fits!
And it was done. It was great.
But 3 years later Lucas goes nuts and says screw u people- (and btw screw u creators of previous Clone Wars, beacause no matter how u try, the longer show goes on, it just doesn't fit one with the oner) this is what happened. So he kills in it people who die after the Ep3, pacifies warrior culture (Mandos), makes Grievous and idiot and not a great warrior/nor commander, blasted resurrects Maul (well at least in EU he was a whole :D, but I liked the Visionaries legs), and yeah gives Anakin a padawan. My list could go on, and on.
Frankly speaking, right now I'm watching to see what they will destroy again.
Don't get me wrong, when I see a good episode I say it was good (Geonosis retake, rookies).

Let's get to characters disussion. I wished that Embo had more Hp- 110.
Does his acrobatic allow him to bypass AOO as well as characters? (can he go through occupied spaces?)
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gwek wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
crazybirdman wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
AdmiralMotti89 wrote:
After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.



Well, people give the clone wars a really bad wrap because its "a kids show". I think anyone who says that has clearly not seen it, and should look at the big picture.

1. Lucas messed up star wars pretty badly with the prequels, but if you're anything like me (and I know I am), you're a fan boy and find a way to enjoy them anyways.
2. The clone wars makes the best out of a lousy situation. While I will always think the OT is superior nearly every way, I think the Clone wars is extremely redeeming of the PT, and at least lets me care for the characters and story in a way that the PT didnt. . For example, I absolutely hated ahsoka from the second I saw her in the clone wars movie, which I interpreted as a cash cow on the the star wars franchise, and ahsoka as a Mary Sue. At some point during season 2, she really grew on me. She's a lot like anakin, but was written in a way that her character actually really grew on me, where as anakin basically ruined darth vader for me due to the horrible character development, choice of actor, and script that the movies presented. Its nice to have characters that I can root for again.

3. This is NOT a kids show. I'd say the violence (though cartoon) is on par with episode 3, which was a pg-13 movie. If you watch them on dvd/blue ray, there are scenes that are included that they couldn't show on TV because of their brutality (Ventress and her kiss of doom, for example). Other scenes are extremely unsettling (Cad Bane's interrogation).

I see a lot of hate on this show... but I genuinely believe that most of the rants are from people who have not really given it a chance. I know there was an uproar based on some of the retconning that they did to the mandalorians for example... but I think anyone who was that upset really missed out on some awesome character development for obiwan. I mean, that particular episode really showed how human he was, which is something that we don't get to see (in the movies) from many jedi outside of Luke.

The show isn't perfect. Some times its silly, some times there are plot holes... but I think over all its really quality. Hell, it even redeems characters like Jar Jar (can't believe i'm saying this) who are not nearly so bad when they aren't on screen for 2 hours... but rather show up once in a bloo moon (see what I did there) for one episode. It allows you to sit back, say "ok, this is going to be a funny episode, and I should approach it as such", rather than having to find a way to be ok with him when he's all over a movie you want to take seriously but cant.


I agree with most of your comments. The show is actually quite good most of the time. Honestly, I think it has a better success ratio than most genre shows. For my money, the show is not unlike BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, which is an amazing show--but ONLY if you can get past the premise (which I could, and which probably 90% of the people I recommended the show to could, but 10% were all "How could a show like that POSSIBLY be good?")

You make note of the "uproar" over the Mandalorians, which I think was ridiculous (not that you brought it up, but that people got upset). The animated series is very respectful in it's depiction, and although the Mandos we see in the cartoon are of a very different flavor than what we see in the EU, what most people seem to forget (or are unaware of) is that the cartoon pitches the Mandos in such a way that the EU Mandos are still a perfectly valid option (albeit with a few very, very minor changes). I think the real problem was that Traviss basically become too proprietary and had a meltdown when George Lucas dared touch "her" Mandalorians.

Which, again, is ridiculous. Like it or not, Star Wars is GL's playpen. He's made a few mis-steps, but he's done right by us far more than he's done wrong. Anything from the EU is essentially fan fiction (well-paid, bestselling fan fiction, but fan fiction nonetheless).

Now, back to the regularly scheduled discussion...


wow
some Inflammatory comments there!Tongue
I you want a good read, have a look at 'The Secret History of Star Wars'
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CerousMutor wrote:
gwek wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
crazybirdman wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:
[quote=AdmiralMotti89]After looking up Embo on wookieepedia I would have to say that the Clone Wars toon is now just making Star Wars silly.


Unfortunate that you base your opinion off a wiki page. Most of the clone wars is better than episodes 1 and 2. Some of them eventhen episode three imho


Yeah, but how hard is that to do? The new My Little Pony cartoon is better than episode 1. Uhm, I heard.



Well, people give the clone wars a really bad wrap because its "a kids show". I think anyone who says that has clearly not seen it, and should look at the big picture.

1. Lucas messed up star wars pretty badly with the prequels, but if you're anything like me (and I know I am), you're a fan boy and find a way to enjoy them anyways.
2. The clone wars makes the best out of a lousy situation. While I will always think the OT is superior nearly every way, I think the Clone wars is extremely redeeming of the PT, and at least lets me care for the characters and story in a way that the PT didnt. . For example, I absolutely hated ahsoka from the second I saw her in the clone wars movie, which I interpreted as a cash cow on the the star wars franchise, and ahsoka as a Mary Sue. At some point during season 2, she really grew on me. She's a lot like anakin, but was written in a way that her character actually really grew on me, where as anakin basically ruined darth vader for me due to the horrible character development, choice of actor, and script that the movies presented. Its nice to have characters that I can root for again.

3. This is NOT a kids show. I'd say the violence (though cartoon) is on par with episode 3, which was a pg-13 movie. If you watch them on dvd/blue ray, there are scenes that are included that they couldn't show on TV because of their brutality (Ventress and her kiss of doom, for example). Other scenes are extremely unsettling (Cad Bane's interrogation).

I see a lot of hate on this show... but I genuinely believe that most of the rants are from people who have not really given it a chance. I know there was an uproar based on some of the retconning that they did to the mandalorians for example... but I think anyone who was that upset really missed out on some awesome character development for obiwan. I mean, that particular episode really showed how human he was, which is something that we don't get to see (in the movies) from many jedi outside of Luke.

The show isn't perfect. Some times its silly, some times there are plot holes... but I think over all its really quality. Hell, it even redeems characters like Jar Jar (can't believe i'm saying this) who are not nearly so bad when they aren't on screen for 2 hours... but rather show up once in a bloo moon (see what I did there) for one episode. It allows you to sit back, say "ok, this is going to be a funny episode, and I should approach it as such", rather than having to find a way to be ok with him when he's all over a movie you want to take seriously but cant.


I agree with most of your comments. The show is actually quite good most of the time. Honestly, I think it has a better success ratio than most genre shows. For my money, the show is not unlike BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, which is an amazing show--but ONLY if you can get past the premise (which I could, and which probably 90% of the people I recommended the show to could, but 10% were all "How could a show like that POSSIBLY be good?")

You make note of the "uproar" over the Mandalorians, which I think was ridiculous (not that you brought it up, but that people got upset). The animated series is very respectful in it's depiction, and although the Mandos we see in the cartoon are of a very different flavor than what we see in the EU, what most people seem to forget (or are unaware of) is that the cartoon pitches the Mandos in such a way that the EU Mandos are still a perfectly valid option (albeit with a few very, very minor changes). I think the real problem was that Traviss basically become too proprietary and had a meltdown when George Lucas dared touch "her" Mandalorians.

Which, again, is ridiculous. Like it or not, Star Wars is GL's playpen. He's made a few mis-steps, but he's done right by us far more than he's done wrong. Anything from the EU is essentially fan fiction (well-paid, bestselling fan fiction, but fan fiction nonetheless).

Now, back to the regularly scheduled discussion...


I think the problem here is that its not that people do not like the show, but that they do not like the fact that it totally messes up the Clone Wars canon, and I can agree with that, but, George Lucas controls Star Wars, and if he wants to destroy the Clone Wars canon (which has never been very clear), he can.

P.S. I am a Mando fanboy.

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