Hey Surf, thanks for the Zombie Sith Lord. Way cool dude. You are the Man surf!!!

Oh and @ kobayashimaru. Zombies are never done............that's the problem dude. They keep coming back.......muhahahahah!!!

Well I haven't read Dawn of the Jedi yet. So I'm not sure my input would be warranted. Although, off the top of my head isn't every character with a Force rating able to spend one Force point to move an extra four spaces? If that is the case then wouldn't Journeyer Speed be redundant? Just a thought. Maybe if that is truely the case you could give her a different Force Power.

I just looked on my Nook, and I'm not sure if Dawn of the Jedi has been released yet as a Nook Comic. Is it in a certain Volume? Just wondering in case I just missed it.

@Squelchy,
yeah, haha I suppose youre right (Best example I can think of is the original DOOM video game hahah)

@Surf,
I thought, unless a piece said force aesthetic SA, you could always use a force point to
a)re roll a failed save
or
b) move 2 extra spaces as part of your turn.

However, unless your piece has MotF 2 (or greater), it can leave your piece very vulnerable later in the round haha.
4 spaces would be Knight Speed, although Journyer Speed is the same thing (but from a different force tradition).
SteveO or Sithborg would be better at explaining rules and such (feel free to chime in guys)

As to the tendency towards fringe-y-ness of customs, I think most of the SWU is predominantly fringe/unaligned. (it reflects modern socio-political climes, at a stretch I think).
It depends very much on context IMO, and what we conceive that fringe as a faction represents, but take Tatooine as example. Its nearly all fringe.
Manaan; deliberately neutral (fringe).
Hoth: remote, and from what we've seen, uninhabited (and therefore, terra nullius style, fringe?)
Consequently, it makes sense that most of the stats, which represent most of the universe, should be correspondingly fringe.
I think you can work around it by binding your character to a faction, but including an Affinity (SA) to some other sub-species or faction.

The diplomat SA, from a certain point of view, renders a piece as a new type of fringe piece (until it is targetted anyways)...

I also think the fringe changes depending upon juxtaposition, and composition of squad.
Could it be interesting to see a 3 faction squad, which falls apart as you play a 200pt game...
Sorta like a multi-mana deck in Magic the gathering (6 types of mana etc).

We know that certain events are likely to happen in a game (like, units being defeated, etc).
Maybe you can tinker with what fringe means, to come up with pieces that sorta are, sorta arent fringe?

I Like the idea of the Advozsec soldier and the Askajian Waitress. They are cool and fairly priced. The hutt jedi is also a good idea. I would think that the morseerian fringer could bring his damage up to 80 quite easily, though, with Thrawn or Yularen. Also, if you look at the Nautolan Soldier, he's quite undercosted. Quad attack is really fitting for a morseerian, but it's just his cost that could be bumped up.

@Surf,
Thanks for the feedback
Let's take a look at abilities that are similar to what Fringe/faction does;
Savage,
Fragile
Mercenary,
Impulsive suite of abilities
Affinity,
Synergy,
Internal Strife,
Pawn of the Darkside
Order 66,
Fall to the Darkside (or words to that effect; its on Count Dooku Separatist Leader's piece)
Betrayal
Jedi Mind Trick/ Force Dominate
Persuade
Force Spirit
Dark Temptation
and finally
Diplomat.

Then there's also Lord Ball/ Surf's Clawdite/Shape Shifter ability...
Not to mention differing Terrain types - have we yet seen a character that also counts as a terrain type? (apart from line of sight and the cover mechanic?)
Im thinking that sith lord who is a black hole should count as a pit... haha

You could use these abilities/force powers as a guide for some mechanics Ideas...
Most of these effect targeting rules, and the others make risk evaluation: Should I attack with additional damage? Should I attack with this piece against that enemy, or risk my shooter changing sides...
Mechanically, you could discriminate against species like this:
Alien Brotherhood: This piece may not target aliens, regardless of faction or if the alien is on the opposition team.
I picture this for anti-droid hating fringers, since they could only target droids or humanoid stuff...

You could discriminate by card name;
Pacifist (Characters containing Soldier or Warrior may not be in this character's squad)
or Seething Hatred (no character containing Jedi or with Force Points may be in this character's squad)

You could also do stuff by other cutoffs, like when the squad size drops below a certain number of figures...
Every Man For Themselves: (when squad numbers 3 or less, this character will attack the nearest figure, regardless of
faction)
or I'll See You In Hell (This character immediately leaves the battlefield when there are no characters containing Soldier or Trooper etc left on the battlefield).

Or consider a Force Power which lets you alter terrain (deform on the fly) as you're playing a game? Itd be no worse than override... Just build a room with pits in front of the door, you win! if someone locks you out of gambit or something, you could make the gambit zone a pit

Or you could make terrain have different effects; difficult terrain grants Regeneration 20/heals units. Pits grant additional force renewal.

Or different species could "Bamf" between terrain types (star craft zerg style), im thinking the Neti and plant like...

You could even play with opponents choice, timing and order of operations ;
Time Bubble: characters in this square/ terrain type must activate last.

Ultimately, I think combining these abilities which already exist, will make some new rules. I think targeting, movement, reserves and faction could be areas of innovation.

Ok, that's interesting ... I have no record of a "Nautolan Soldier" and I searched the whole thread! Hmmmmmm.....

Yep. I was talking about an official non-custom one.

While I do think it is fair to almost ignore the Nautolan as it is a terrible piece I still think the Morseerian is undercosted. For 4 points you have a piece that can very easily be boosted by CEs and SAs. I think for Quadruple, 5-7 points is more in line as a fair cost

With Swap, Pawn, and GMA anything is possible

Well now, a little controversy is a good thing; makes you think. When more than one person is telling you you're a knucklehead, you should think about why

So ... there aren't that many 4 armed species. The Quermians came to mind and I did a Quermian Spacer a ways back and I looked at it; it didn't raise an eyebrow. The Quermian had almost the exact stats except 20 HP's instead of 10. It also had Opportunist .... and I priced it at 13 .... Hmmmm

Now, the Morseerian is slightly weaker with that 10HP's, only had the Quad, so I'd knock it down 2 for that, but I still didn't want to make it an 11. Then I thought "They're a secretive, rare species" and I hear you all about having 10 of these guys ... but how can you have 10 of a rare species (I ran into 10 Rodian Brutes one game but they're a common species) so how do I "limit" the number of Morseerians?

I came up with this ....



I figured this ability would have a negative number as it were, so the price goes down to 9 .... better?

Photobuckets being weird ... fixed ....