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Bob Chizo
Posted: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:42:53 AM
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The Rodian Assassin is another good piece that can take out living fodder, or can do some damage against Uniques. I think he will see most use as a filler piece or as Reserves/Reinforcements. I am looking forward to testing a couple of these with the Rebel Storm Jabba and Nyna Calixte.

Stealth is a really good ability in terms of synergy. There are some good commander effects that have to do with Stealth these days:
Nyna Calixte-+10 DAM vs. Stealth & gain Super Stealth
NBSV-Gain Black Sun (which in turn gives the character access to Grenades 10 and other Black Sun CEs)

Hmm... maybe there were not that many, but I really like these! ThumbsUp
gwek
Posted: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:26:56 AM
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I kinda want to break this into another thread, but since the ball is rolling here...

komix wrote:
I'm not a Mando fanboy, but I prerfectly understand Traviss- for god's sake- she created their language, partialy their culture. And she was given OK from Lucas because he gave his Star Wars rights to books.
Then all of sudden he (and Filloni) is like- u know what? I don't care! This is my version, and whatever crap u told before can all go in to trash.


With all due respect, that's a misrepresentation of how the business of writing for a franchise like Star Wars works. When you write for something like Star Wars (or Star Trek, or Mass Effect, or Buffy, or whatever...) it's essentially "work-for-hire" and whatever you create is at the discretion of whoever owns the line. The majority of Star Wars writers seem to understand that and be respectful of it. When the prequel trilogy come out, for example, I believe there was an interview where Tim Zahn was asked how he felt about the new movies destroying some of the continuity he created. He said he it didn't bother him and he understood how things worked. If anything, he was excited that the name "Coruscant" made it into the movies!

There is also nothing "all of a sudden" about this. The continuity of Star Wars has been shifting and evolving since 1977, when the comics and novels started diverging from one another.

Again, with respect to the Mandos in particular, I will point out that there's really nothing in the cartoon that contradicts the core of Traviss's viewpoint--except that "her" Mandos have to be relocated to a moon rather than Mandalore proper. Star Wars, like any decades-long continuity, is rife with those kinds of changes.

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That's why I don't like KOTOR 1 and 2 (look at technology from comics Sith War, Golden Age of Sith ; then suddenly it is like in movies (maybe EVEN better)- where's the logic in that?)- same reason goes for TOR.


For the record, I love KotOR... and I don't particularly like how Traviss's continuity completely disregarded KotOR-era Mando continuity. :P

Interesting thought on the technology: It's actually been explained in-universe why technology seems to stall and later even drop off: unlike our current universe, a lot of technology is produced by individual craftsmen, not factory produced, so the quality is based on the collective skill of the craftsmen of the day. In Star Wars, mass production is almost always indicative of poor quality (eg, battle droids).

As for the drop-off between the Prequel Trilogy and the Original Trilogy: During the Empire era, technology is mass produced by the lowest bidder!

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So he [1] kills in it people who die after the Ep3, [2] pacifies warrior culture (Mandos), [3] makes Grievous and idiot and not a great warrior/nor commander, [4] blasted resurrects Maul (well at least in EU he was a whole :D, but I liked the Visionaries legs), and [5] yeah gives Anakin a padawan. My list could go on, and on.


Added numbers for clarity... (1) I assume you're referring to Even Piell? That's actually a continuity error caused by a edit of Corusant Nights. Although the novel was published first, the mistake is actually with the BOOK, because it's of lesser canon and the projects were being worked on simultaneously. The cartoon creators are not at fault here; poor editing and continuity checking is. (2) As noted above, there's no reason the two cultures can't exist side-by-side. In fact, the "warrior culture" of the Mandos destroys more previously existing continuity than anything in the cartoon. (3) I'm pretty sure it's not the animated series that makes Grievous an "idiot." That honor goes to Episode III. The depiction of him in the new cartoon is very much in keeping with the depiction in the movie. It's the EU (and the original animated series) that makes Grievous such a bad@$$. Apparently, Lucas thinks (and has always thought) less of him than many other folk. (4) I really have no response to this one. I don't like it, but am willing to see where the storyline goes. (5) Continuity error? Possibly. But in my mind the option to explore a whole new angle of one of the seminal characters in not only Star Wars mythology but all of modern Western mythology? Heck, yeah, sign me up as someone who thinks that's a reasonable call.

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Let's get to characters disussion.


Indeed. With almost a quarter of the set officially spoiled, this is shaping up to be an excellent set. I'm really looking forward to the pieces for the Old Rep, Sith, and Mandos, but the Fringe and New Rep pieces especially so far are nice. It's awesome to see Lowbacca and Tekli finally represented. Embo isn't exactly what I would have statted myself, but he looks really gone nonetheless.

So far, this set really makes me regret that we have V-Sets rather than "real" sets because (no offense to the V-Set designers), I SO wish I had actual minis for Embo, Lowbacca... A Squib Trader mini would be so useful for my RPG! :)

I think Leia's Versatility is a great idea, and hope we see versatile versions of the other heroes (I'm curious how the concept would interact with some of the "paired" minis, if we eventually get a versatile Threepio, Artoo, or Chewie.


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As a wise man once said before his untimely demise: "Stay on target."
Bob Chizo
Posted: Friday, May 4, 2012 7:54:49 AM
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markedman247 wrote:
As a wise man once said before his untimely demise: "Stay on target."


A rather large wise man.
markedman247
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Bob Chizo wrote:
markedman247 wrote:
As a wise man once said before his untimely demise: "Stay on target."


A rather large wise man.


If you can judge a wiseman by his girth, then, mister, you're a better man than I.
swinefeld
Posted: Friday, May 4, 2012 10:13:10 AM
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SHNN Preview:

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Elite Old Republic Soldier
cost 12

HP 20
DEF 14
ATK +5
DMG 10

Special Abilities

Soldier (counts as name Old Republic Soldier)
Cunning Attack +20
Deceptive


a decent cheap grunt for the OR
swinefeld
Posted: Friday, May 4, 2012 3:08:41 PM
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Wow, I guess that preview let the air out of this thread.

That, or everyone is speechless in the face of such awesomeness. Razz
Darthbane53
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12 point deceptive could be fun. I never noticed how uber an ability it was I was face to face with kyle and had no CE's to fight him
Deus Sol
Posted: Friday, May 4, 2012 3:31:19 PM
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Why deceptive? Are you trying to make me not want to play Saul? Woulda been better without it and 1 or 2 cheaper IMHO.
swinefeld
Posted: Friday, May 4, 2012 3:42:10 PM
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Deus Sol wrote:
Why deceptive? Are you trying to make me not want to play Saul? Woulda been better without it and 1 or 2 cheaper IMHO.


You have a point, but it does at least give him a bit more damage if not playing Saul and just using this guy to fill out a squad.

OR Commander + Czerka + Bastila + this guy = +9 double/twin 40 damage shots (with cunning). lol
TheHutts
Posted: Monday, May 7, 2012 2:41:17 AM
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So the Sith Blademaster and the new Bao-Dur are pretty cool, huh?



Kanis_Majoris
Posted: Monday, May 7, 2012 3:11:07 AM
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Nice pieces for both sith and OR!

question on the blademater, he doesn't count for having a light saber does he? I was thinking u could use that sit weapon ability on him. I figured marka ragnos was similar in having the light saber named abilities with no light saber weapon. Just curious?
Kanis_Majoris
Posted: Monday, May 7, 2012 3:25:54 AM
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Nevermind, answered it myself. They are definitely wielding light sabers thus sith weapon ability would not apply!
Hinkbert
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Bandon can act like Bastila for the Sith Blademaster so that you can lightsaber flurry, but still hit for 20 each. That could be nasty.
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Bao-Dur is flippin amazing. Very nice job on this one guys. Glad that we're getting droid support outside of the sep faction.

He can reprogram, and then grant his new droid a nice little attack bonus.

I didn't reply on the elite trooper... my excitement on troopers is sub-par these days. As much support as we've been getting for them, they still aren't really feasable on a competitive level, which bums me out.
Sithborg
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I kind of like the OR Droid squads you can make. Bastilla, Boa-dur, and HK-47 are nice boosts, and HK becomes pretty beefy with the Shields.

Heck, use a YVH, and watch the Vong run in terror.
markedman247
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I like the fact that the Sith Blademaster can swarm allowing a Blademaster to activate another
swinefeld
Posted: Monday, May 7, 2012 7:20:27 AM
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Sithborg wrote:
I kind of like the OR Droid squads you can make. Bastilla, Boa-dur, and HK-47 are nice boosts, and HK becomes pretty beefy with the Shields.

Heck, use a YVH, and watch the Vong run in terror.


Yep, first thing I thought was Bao, Bastila, HK-47 and IG-86 swarm. (actually, I thought TTDs first, but being realistic people will go with IGs in a competitive build)

Love the YVH idea. That's a piece that deserves to see some play. Bao and HK seems to be a really nice boost for them. They could use another damage booster for non-Vong match ups though.
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swinefeld wrote:
Sithborg wrote:
I kind of like the OR Droid squads you can make. Bastilla, Boa-dur, and HK-47 are nice boosts, and HK becomes pretty beefy with the Shields.

Heck, use a YVH, and watch the Vong run in terror.


Yep, first thing I thought was Bao, Bastila, HK-47 and IG-86 swarm. (actually, I thought TTDs first, but being realistic people will go with IGs in a competitive build)

Love the YVH idea. That's a piece that deserves to see some play. Bao and HK seems to be a really nice boost for them. They could use another damage booster for non-Vong match ups though.


You could always have Lobot in your squad and use all 20pts to bring in a YVHD. Not a bad reinforcement when one of the OR's biggest threats is a Vong squad.

I think the Bao,Bastilla, HK-47, IG-86 swarms will be tough to beat. That is a scary amount of damage that those Meatbag Annihilator's can pump out. And yes that is a hint at my next Meatbag Annihilators squad variant. Cool
markedman247
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So, the "Counts as Bao-dur" isn't necessary in the Unique description?
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