My bad, haven't played him for ages. With Pellaeon it wasn't going to happen anyway.

I've been thinking about the Spotter as a counter for Daala.

This is the version I made
--Bane Hunts--
43 Cad Bane, Bounty Hunter
39 HK-47, Assassin Droid
35 Wat Tambor
27 Lobot
15 BX Commando Droid Spotter
14 BX Commando Droid Sniper
12 Gha Nachkt
9 Poggle the Lesser
6 Geonosian Drone x3

Preferred Reinforcements:
(Lobot) 14 R7 Astromech Droid x2
(Lobot) 6 Mouse Droid x3
(Wat Tambor) 15 BX Commando Droid Spotter
(Wat Tambor) 3 Battle Droid
(Wat Tambor) 2 Mouse Droid

I don't think the offense is right with this mix, but in theory the Spotter goes out front with mouse droids. Wat Tambor marks a mouse and sits behind the spotter to repair. HK snipes out czerkas and troopers and Cad clears things out at the end of the turn. I haven't tried it so I don't know if it is any good at all, and I doubt it would do very well against a lot of other squad types but it was just a basic thought I had. I also have another version without HK that just has a bunch of activations to make sure that Cad can go last.

The other build I had with Spotters brougth LIN DemoMechs in to force people who want to base the Spotter to take Mines damage or shoot the DemoMechs who would get energy shielded

(I'm not saying they don't need to be changed. They do, this was just my thought for countering them in that squad.)

need to put a LIN in those builds IMO

what would you take out for Ozzel?

with all this endless ranting.................
does anyone believe this will be the only vset piece to have an errata?

Please, this is hardly are first errata. Hell, it is hardly are first errata for gameplay reasons (ABM working on Mouse Droids, not so good). Yes, this is our first real, major errata, not because something doesn't work, but because is wrecks the game.

In fact, a lot of my thoughts tend to mirror Deri's own.

EDIT: And yes I am leaving in that typo, since that tends to be the type of stuff we have to errata...

Les posted the design thread for the Zygerrian a long time ago. The idea was for tech to be moved around more easily. With that in mind, more brainstorming:

Slave Driver: (Replaces attacks; lower-cost living ally within 6 squares with printed Attack rating of 0 may move its speed)

There's a short list of characters meeting that criteria:
Ugnaught Demolitionist
Caamasi Noble
Mynock
Rodian Diplomat
Tso'asu
Ugnaught Tech
Mon Calamari Medic

With that list, you could almost do double speed, but I think that would probably speed up swap squads too much. The advantage of double speed is that the only change from the card is stipulation that the legal target has to have Attack 0. So it's a simpler change in that sense.

This awesome, simple idea () was also discussed:

Our results from our recent New Zealand tournament are indicating that Daala Trooper squads are a bit over strong.
- with the Zygerrian Slavers they get a ton of movement - especially Raxus Primes with wall climber. They can be in the opponent's back end in round 1.
- with the Snowtrooper Officer (I think?) and Daala both having rapport, you get a lot of troopers in a squad.
- by stacking commander effects, you get a lot of damage.

With the combination of movement, lots of pieces, damage, and access to other Imperial tech (Force bubble, Needa's rerolls, tempo control, cannon attacks from Flim/Imperial Officer), we're finding that Daala builds are steam-rolling a lot of other builds, and you just about have to build a "hate" squad to hold your own.

Poggle made a biggish splash in New Zealand, but Drones aren't too bad if you have enough shooters in your squad - you can pick them off. They also do nothing against disruptive, and we've never seen Poggle Bombs win a major tournament.

Windu has won a couple of majors in New Zealand, but he certainly didn't feel invincible. The main thing in his favour is the synergy with GOWK - he really benefits from GOWK's stat boost and hardiness.

Daala's been played a lot in New Zealand, and has only lost once so far to a non Daala squad - and that was a sub-optimised build run by an overconfident player (me!) against a well organised opponent. With all the movement her squads can get, and all the activations, it currently feels like little has a chance against her - even the Lancer has to be very carefully played against her, the way she currently is. I like that there's an alternative to Thrawn, but she's currently making our playscene feel very constricted.

Have you played Daala? What builds do you use?

Poggle was a bolock, i know because i was involved in his design (didn't need rapport, and probably should have been 10 dmg). Certainly a teething problem from a inexperienced design crew. Still, as much as people whinged about him he is yet to dominate a meta or take more than a regional win. Even with him around the meta is more diverse than it has ever been.




Keep going. Mace won the year after he was released and AFTER it was decided that the game had caught up to soresu mastery and the card wording was made to stand.

2 big changes but not game breaking.



See the Vset design is not supposed to supplant figures like Thrawn, IMO. That was never the intent, he's one of the best figures created vset or not, you supplant him and it really is going above and beyond what the intent of the vset design is. The way the game is balanced is with core faction strategies (Thrawn/mas, Dodonna/reiken, r2/mas, kelborn/mando's, big sith/little sith, Bastilla/whatever, dodonna/ganner, San/lancer or droids) that the Vsets add too. The vsets were all about making figures useful and bringing the weak factions up. The vong were the last faction to get into competitive positions and Daala destroys them.

We'd managed balance and now Daala brings it back to Imps v republic. Fun.

Trooper swarms are fine, infact vset 7 introduced figs that help swarms but when a piece undoes all the game building that the previous 5 sets have achieved i can well understand the outcry.



there is something seriously wrong when a 4 point piece can move 24 to 36 squares a round easy after outactivating anyone and laying down 50 dmg in a single shot with the possibility of getting more attacks 100 to 150). Certain builds can make that accurate.

Its amazing that something like this got through.