I like the function of the piece. And I love Lucien Draay, so anything that helps him, as long as he isn't broken or anything. My only gripe is Force Premonition. My main reason being, Republic just lost their only init control with Qui-Spirit, as well as The Sith lose another main person in Caedus :( If he proves to be competitive. Then the Qui-Gon piece is obsolete. And Sith are reduced another option. I hope Darth Baras proves to be better than what he looks to me. Diplomat still works with Force Spirits right? Like if you have LOS to a DS FS, then you can not target a character with diplomat?

Meh, it's fine. I just hope that the stats came from somebody listening to the SHNN.

Ya, it's a weak explanation, but I like that there is one. It also stops odan urr from playing with them as well, so I guess it is not just Bastila.

I like powerful sub factions, and I like covenant, and I like uniques, so I am with you in desiring to see more added to it and I desire for OR to be competitive.

I will try it some covenant in some Fun matches for sure

ya, I think you have a very valid point Shmi15.

If it had a range I would be fine with it since she can max use it twice and you at the very least have the possibility of getting out of range. (Force Defense has range 6 and force absorb has adjacency..)
Wow, that is powerful!
It does suck for our poor VoL. The one hope of fun Imperial right now. So that really does suck.

Yes. They are 2 very powerful pieces that are very polarizing. Sure some people like them, but many people hate them. Keep in mind they BOTH have MotF 2, while Master Q does not. So they can still do their thing, it just takes more FPs.



Essentially agree with this. Bastila was certainly needed in set 1 and her design was brilliant to allow by far the worst faction in the game by the end of WotC, the ability to compete. But now we need to offer more alternate options that don't stack with her. Arkanian Jedi General is one, and will continually get better with more sub 30 options, but Master Q is another option. Most games, Force Premonition won't get used.

Btw it's a premonition. It wouldn't make sense to need LoS. Besides, she's blind anyway.

Some people like Vong, but a lot of people hate them. Can we make a piece that negates SA without Los then?

I agree that right now Covenant is not strong enough for her to matter.... But, I believe I read it right where you said the rest of the pieces will be made? I assume those pieces are unique? And I assume they will be designed with the intention of not being used with Bastilla? Which means they would be designed to be good without her? Which means Its more likely than not, that they could be competitive without her? Just thinking ahead on it is all. And my main argument with her is, IF VoL were to ever become competitive, there is an 11 point piece who nerfs hims. IF Darth Caedus every finds another squad other than Red and Black, you may as well send it back packing, because the OR have a piece that holds him in check. Without being in any danger of anything. And you can give him Force Renewal with ARCA JETH FS, so his Premonitions never end.

Yes, I understand he only hurts certain types of pieces, but my point is he counters the wrong pieces. Why do we need yet another piece to control Force Users? Have they not suffered enough during this design process? If the Covenant pieces are even tier 1.5, its still gimmicky enough to hold a whole lot of Powerful Force Users across multiple factions back. Why do we want this in the game? Was there a cry out from the community about Force Users being OP? LOL!

Dark times ahead with this piece and The Covenant.

And yes, Most games Force Premonition will not be used... But thankfully 17 points for GMA is pretty nifty as well. I will be keeping a VERY close eye on the Covenant pieces coming out. To see if my predictions of them are true or not.


Edited * Changed the 11 points to 17.

Unfortunately, Anticipation is cancelled as well, but I understand what you were trying to say. They had options. Now most of them are gone. ( not yet, but potentially)


And The best thing I have come with for Bara so far is Alema Ketto, and a few others who have "Replace Attacks" abilities. Since using those don't get rid of Diplomat, you potentially have unkillable pieces who drop damage. Can't remember all the pieces in Sith that have something like that, I know its only a few, but they exist. Was that an idea that was brought up to anyone?

For sure - Alemo shined in PTing. Dominate and Aggressive Negotiations is a lot of fun.

Also you should know that causing damage makes you lose Diplomat.


We found in PTing to either build with a beast and some support that just needs something to get them across the map without being shot to crap (Bane, etc)
-or-
A squad of 3-5 cheap Sith Unique Force users. (Vestara Khai, Alema Rar, Darth Nihl Hand of Krayt, Darth Bandon, Darth Talon Sith Assassin, etc)

Baras is no slouch. LS Protection 2 can be very good.

Glossary text for Aggressive Negotiations.


At the start of the skirmish, this character is considered to have the Diplomat special ability. It has that ability until it either makes an attack or is targeted or attacked by an enemy character (such as through the normal means described in Diplomat or through special abilities such as Indiscriminate). Enemy characters with Ambush, Backlash, or It's a Trap! are able to ignore the Diplomat special ability gained through Aggressive Negotiations and target* this character. (*for purposes of attacking only)



Unless I am missing something, causing damage does not make them lose AN as long as its not an attack?

And Bara's CE does not take it away after they cause damage?


And, I should note, that currently I do think Caedus is still an option. I do not think Master Q is playable currently, and will not be for at least 2/3 sets more than likely. One eye on the now, the other for the future.

Well, there we go! I was missing something, lol.