Mace has a 20% chance to score a critical hit on every attack. Then with flurry, I don't want to attempt the math there on possible crits/hits in succession.


Boba has a 5% chance each attack, with 2 attacks on the same target with twin. The Gotal has heavy weapon and one shot, same as the new OR Elite Gunner with one shot. I don't think it is easily compared, except that they are small chance one shots vs. Mace doing the same thing in more than one hit and with a much greater success chance.

Parry or LS Blocks and Defense can try and stop it with a 50/50 chance. Droids might stop the crit bonus damage, but not the extra flurry attacks because those still happen.

The Truth is, in a single turn he has the capability to be way too dangerous. It's not a matter of him killing a 40 or 60 HP character in a turn. Lots of characters can do that. It's when he basically annihilates another Beatstick with 100+ health in a turn.

Also what about big chain attacks? Lets figure he charges into a cluster of enemies. With his Triple Attack, GMA, and flurry plus triple crit damage, he can take out 2 to 3 guys maybe more. Anything 60 health or lower can be one shot by a crit, and lets not forget flurries. Those can be used on any legal target, doesn't have to be the same target. He is honestly way too devastating of a piece. One on one, or against clusters of support pieces, he can really tear it up.

Is it luck? Of course. Are there counters or defenses? Aure. Are there a lot of them? Maybe, maybe not.

With a 20% critical chance he is a monster on the battlefield. All it takes is one critical strike and he has either just killed your beatstick or a portion of your squad.

Luck or not, I really don't see how anyone can dispute him as being an overpowered piece.

Mace is definitely a decimator of men. As he should be though. Sure he definitely is beatable. But by himself, he can go 10 squares and kill anything he touches. It DOESN'T mean that he will. But, more often than not, he will. Overcosted? Maybe by 5-8 points. Overpowered? I think twin instead of triple would have sufficed. And if he crits, that's two extra attacks. This is just my input. I've ran Mace with yobuck in a panaka swap squad with a friend, and with it, i could get anywhere on the board and kill any piece.

Not so easy in a Yobuck swap squad. Of course, if it's a Yobuck, Mace swap squad then it's probably not too hard to lock the door.

Caamasi nobles and a good shooter seems to still be good. Maybe it's just me but mace and yobuck don't have anyway to kill nobles

Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. If you've paid a heckuva lot of points for a melee beatstick, and the other player is playing Mace, then it's entirely your own fault and your best bet is for Darth Vader/Bane/Maul/whoever to spend the entire game running from him while your shooters try to deal with that badboy.

As you say, it's hardly rocket engineering...

The major problem I have with this information is that it is very misleading. Of course Vader WITH thrawn does more damage. To say that Mace's damage is a lot higher then Mara's but he costs twenty more, well, Vader's Damage (with thrawn) are higher then mace's but he also cost like 37 more points. That is enough points to bring in someone like the wookie jedi, rex, w/e add them to mace's damage output and then you have a fair comparison

Actually what Mex said was if you are foolish enough to engage Mace with your melee beat, you deserve to get smacked by him. If you are foolish enough to build a squad without a good balance between melee and shooters then it's entirely your own fault if you get hammered by Mace. If you position your figs poorly and allow Mace to choose his targets at will, that's entirely your fault. Mace is easy to kill, SHOOT HIM! The designers arn't responsible for poor strategy/squad building/set up by players.

Mace will crit in a game, he will most likely crit multiple times in a game. I acknowledge that. Where you lose me is that each crit is game ending. What good is a crit when he is going after someone with less than 60 HP? You can't control when he crits. Putting him in a position where he needs to crit is just leading for disaster. And spending FPs for rerolls is just too risky for me, because he needs the FPs for Reflect, and you open yourself up for a miss as well.

And there are some hard counters. Saesee Tiin, JM, Durge, JH, and Droids. Personally, I would love to see him go through some T1s. And there are others that give him fits. Parry and Makashi can slow down his damage, a lot. The group of figs I call the "Duelists", MOTF 2 with Block will be key in stopping major hits, as well as Duelist slowing down his normal damage.

Mace is a beast, no one is going to deny it. But he is highly dependent on rolls, which is where you will get a lot of debate. I just ask you to play him, and watch when and where the crits land.

Part of the fun is the debate.

And while it would be nice to play against who you want, at this point in the game, I think most of us have limited options regarding our playgroup. So if you don't like a group's decision regarding whether to allow a certain piece or a certain rule, it's not so easy to just play "elsewhere".

Well Watching him kill a full hitpoint Zannah in one activation was pretty dang crazy even with her force bubble.