The problem with that is that after ABM shuts down how much time you have left to come back from that? because once the fighting finally starts you still have to kill his pieces without yours dying and you have to make up that 20 points.

The talk about ABM and shan reminds me quite a bit of the lancer droid's history, or heck, even GOWK. Every once in a while a very good piece pops up that is very successful for a large number of players. For medium to slightly advanced skilled players, the piece can be played to great effect. We call this a gate keeper. Then some other really good players realize that everyone and their Aunt Beru is playing a variation of this squad, and they build a squad that can hold up to most others, but also is relatively successful against the gatekeeper. This is meta... i get the frustration, but, its kind of a rinse and repeat of what we've been dealing with for years.

When SSM was changed back to its original functionality, and GOWK allowed back into the game, restored to his former glory, most players had concern, but in the end, he just wasn't the meta lock that he used to be. I think ABM is good, and its definitely a formidable ability, but its still a gate keeper, not a game breaker. There are ways around it, and as time goes on, it will only become less and less powerful. I think this is the nature of the game... be it R2, Kybuck, Lancer, GOWK, or Shan. Wait until V-set 4 or 5 and I bet half the opinions about ABM will have changed, and people will be worried about a different piece.

I do agree that she has created a delicate balance for the OR. A slip up in a new pieces design could really give the faction even more power... but personally, the OR has been at the bottom of the food chain for so long, I prefer the game with her than without. my only hope is that the v-set team is smart enough to figure out some other top tier squad options that they can release that work with or without her, without tipping the balance. Don't ask me what that is, but these guys know the game as well as anyone can, I'm sure there are good things in store.

If they screw up and break the game? Like, truly break the game? I doubt that will ever happen, but I know that they have the game and its players in the their best intentions, and would handle the situation appropriately.

I like Phantom Attack a lot, being able to assault someone through the Force makes a lot of sense for incredibly powerful Sith Lords.

And Luke should definetly be able to do something like this since he did mess a lot with Cadeus's head/meditation. I don't know if it has to just affect meditation...that would be nice since it messes with both Bastilla and Atris and is incredible Flavorful...but even if he just has a power like Force Light, I think that could work. I really like Force Light and I think there is room for more Force Abilites like that, especially on powerful Force users like Luke.

And I know Luke worked a lot on overcoming Force Immunity of the Vong and Ysalamiri so maybe he could have an ability where he just isn't affected by certain abilites like that. Granted I don't recall how successful he was with the Ysalamiri...I know he did use Electric Judgment on Vong.



Maybe I'm just a greedy NR player but...THIS THIS, A 1000x's THIS!

well... The idea is that the stat cards should reflect the rules accurately... Its why ssm was returned to the cards description. Its no fun to have to sit with a errata rule book filled with 50 pages, Or have to write in corrections on your cards ( which I would never do).

The game suffers enough from complex rules and having to check the glossary... It slows down play on a game that takes so long to play that its got a time limit in competitive play.

the counter ability doesnt even need to be an attack, could just be a forced save something like:

Force Confusion: Force 2; usable on this characters turn; enemies with a force rating lose 1 force point, save 6.

no damage is done, but the save is not optional and it could take away some force points, so it has other uses than to just counter bastila.

Exar Kun Sith Spirit...

I think Sith can get around her too - they're not that reliant on CEs.

I also think that people shouldn't play her in friendly games, unless they've arranged to do so with their opponent - she seems like she's designed specifically designed as a tier 1 competitive piece.

I think something was needed to stop competitive squads being dominated by crazy amounts of CEs - the Dodanna/Rieekan/Leia/Crix Madine with tons of activations ruled lots of squads out of the meta too. I like the meta better with her in it; maybe the Mandos need a specific counter sometime, but other people have been saying they can bring in a Czerka with Lobot for twin, and a shooting Mando squad should have a good shot against a melee OR team.

A few power pieces will slip threw the cracks, no doubt. Still, I think you should expect V4 to be more like Vengeance, which I have hardly heard a bad word about, especially about the powerlevels of pieces. And that's the thing, Bastilla allows the designers to be creative with the faction. Yes, she is powerful and pretty much a must have. But would you rather have the first three sets work to bring the OR up to parity, because that is what it would take without the powershot of Bastilla. Some mistakes were made with the first 2 Vsets, but I think Vengeance has shown that we've learned from them. The design process I think is now very good, even with new designers.

Still one or two rules things that make me want to tear out my hair.

Personal I like Bastilla and her power, but she is too good for her point. She is not only a gatekeeper but also what we called a power creep. We have house rule that the ABM will end at the end of the round already, otherwise she is just too overpower (IMO she is overpower for her cost even for a round). Issue errata (if any) and print a new card including in the coming set sounds pretty good to me, since it is a V-set, we could fix it if we can. Just my 2 cents.

After create a overpower piece, then use other overpower/specificed piece to solve/counter this power? I doubt that is the best way to to so. This only keep the players away from the game. New player find it not fun to play/against with.
I think that's not a good way to solve the problem, may be it is just me anyway.