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AndyHatton
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:34:41 PM
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http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/11690/darth-vader--champion-of-the-dark-side

Darth Vader, Champion of the Dark Side 68
Hit Points: 140
Defense: 22
Attack: 14
Damage: 20

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Unique
Melee Attack (Can attack only adjacent enemies)
Triple Attack (On his turn, this character can make 2 extra attacks instead of moving)
Jedi Hunter (+4 Attack and +10 Damage against enemies with Force ratings)
Dark Armor (Whenever this character takes damage, he reduces the damage dealt by 10 with a save of 11. Attacks with lightsabers ignore this special ability.)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack against that attacker with +10 Damage.)
Deadly Attack (Scores a critical hit on an attack roll of natural 19 or 20)
The Glove of Darth Vader (When hit by a nonmelee attack within 6 squares, this character takes no damage with a save of 11 and the attacker takes 10 damage, save 6. When this character is defeated, choose a Unique Sith ally with a Force Rating. That ally gains The Glove of Darth Vader and Force Choke)

FP
Force 3
Force Renewal 1 (This character gets 1 Force point each time he activates)
Force Choke (Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: range 2; 10 damage to target living enemy. Target is considered activated this round; save 11)
Force Grip 4 (Force 4, replaces attacks: sight; 40 damage)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
SignerJ
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:44:23 PM
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To be honest, I'm not super thrilled about the topic this time (I wasn't last time, either, but I digress), so I just tried to think of something and then threw a couple of things together. Here it is: my version of Vader from the Mustafar duel.


Darth Vader, Young Apprentice
Cost: 53
Sith

HP: 130
Def: 21
Att: 15
Dam: 20

Unique
Melee Attack (Can attack only adjacent enemies)
Triple Attack (On his turn, this character can make 2 extra attacks instead of moving)
Greater Mobile Attack (Can move both before and after attacking. This character can make extra attacks even if he moves this turn, but he must make them all before resuming movement.)
Djem So Style (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack against that attacker.)
Indiscriminate (When this character attacks an adjacent enemy, it ignores enemy abilities and commander effects that prevent targeting and attacking. These attacks cannot be redirected.)
Rapport (Costs 10 less when in the same squad as a character whose name contains Darth Sidious)

Force 3
Force Renewal 1 (This character gets 1 Force point each time he activates)
Master of the Force 2 (May spend Force points up to 2 times in a single turn)
Force Grip 1 (Force 1, replaces attacks: sight; 10 damage )
Lightsaber Block (Force 1: When hit by a melee attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)
Sith Rage (Force 1: +10 Damage on all attacks this turn)

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"


His HP is rather high, so that he can take some hits. His attack is high because, well, he's Darth Vader. He has Triple Attack because coupled with GMA because he kept attacking Obi-Wan, again and again, while they moved throughout the mining station. Djem So Style is for obvious reasons, and so is Indiscriminate. Rapport makes him a Dynamic Duo with the sith Darth Sidious.
Force 3 with Renewal 1 because he is Vader, while MotF2 is so that he can use Block twice. Lightsaber Block makes him a nightmare for enemy melee pieces, while Grip 1 represents his "attack" on Padme. Master Speed because he was, uh, fast, and because he was able to traverse large distances in order to attack Obi-Wan. Sith Rage because he was enraged.
corranhorn
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:03:50 PM
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FWIW, I'm glad Andy picked Vader. Well known characters and the best ones to use for this kind of contest.
SignerJ
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:19:02 PM
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corranhorn wrote:
FWIW, I'm glad Andy picked Vader. Well known characters and the best ones to use for this kind of contest.


Yes, but there is also the danger of picking a character that everyone is tired of. Truly, as long as there is a Wookieepedia page, I would think that everyone should be fine.
corranhorn
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:20:54 PM
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SignerJ wrote:
corranhorn wrote:
FWIW, I'm glad Andy picked Vader. Well known characters and the best ones to use for this kind of contest.


Yes, but there is also the danger of picking a character that everyone is tired of. Truly, as long as there is a Wookieepedia page, I would think that everyone should be fine.



We'll have to agree to disagree. With some characters there may not be enough info to make 9 truly different versions. And as for people being tired of him...personally, I've never made a canon Vader (some Infinities pieces but that's it). WotC made enough that I never felt the need so this is fun.
pegolego
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:37:48 PM
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I've noticed some things quite interesting; First, almost every entry (including mine, which was a long time ago, my 3rd custom actually, I reuploaded it despite great ratings to erase an argument between a couple different guys) have 13-14 abilities, lol...

Also, a lot of uses of Sith Rage/Jedi Hunter obviously, but also repeated appearances of Indiscriminate (mine had it; that was part of the drive to make it, representing his merciless slaugherings etc.), and some other less common abilities. There seems to be a bit of a mold that these Sith Vaders are made in, that all of our customs in this contest almost are following. Quite strangest though, is the 13-14 abilities constantly, lol.
SignerJ
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:22:55 PM
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pegolego wrote:
I've noticed some things quite interesting; First, almost every entry (including mine, which was a long time ago, my 3rd custom actually, I reuploaded it despite great ratings to erase an argument between a couple different guys) have 13-14 abilities, lol...

Also, a lot of uses of Sith Rage/Jedi Hunter obviously, but also repeated appearances of Indiscriminate (mine had it; that was part of the drive to make it, representing his merciless slaugherings etc.), and some other less common abilities. There seems to be a bit of a mold that these Sith Vaders are made in, that all of our customs in this contest almost are following. Quite strangest though, is the 13-14 abilities constantly, lol.


Oops. Mine has about 9, which might be too many... Should I drop Master Speed?
surf_rider56
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:03:29 PM
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SignerJ wrote:
pegolego wrote:
I've noticed some things quite interesting; First, almost every entry (including mine, which was a long time ago, my 3rd custom actually, I reuploaded it despite great ratings to erase an argument between a couple different guys) have 13-14 abilities, lol...

Also, a lot of uses of Sith Rage/Jedi Hunter obviously, but also repeated appearances of Indiscriminate (mine had it; that was part of the drive to make it, representing his merciless slaugherings etc.), and some other less common abilities. There seems to be a bit of a mold that these Sith Vaders are made in, that all of our customs in this contest almost are following. Quite strangest though, is the 13-14 abilities constantly, lol.


Oops. Mine has about 9, which might be too many... Should I drop Master Speed?


Hmmmm ..... my card has 10, but should you count Melee in a Jedi/Sith? Nine without counting melee (and if you ignore the "mandatory Double Attack (Triple in my case)" that all Jedi/Sith have lately I really only have 8 ... and if you ignore Lightsaber Defense (which all Master level pieces should have automatically) I only have seven .....
Cassus fett
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:27:00 PM
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Heres My Entry: http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/15753/darth-vader--sith-warrior
It's a pseudo Sith remake of UH Jedi Hunter with a Mighty Glacier Twist.
Should be good at 10 abilities if you don't count Unique, Melee and Force 3
It's a little light on force powers but balances and synergizes with the melee focus (with some less than standard ablities) and a speed twist.
CorranHornsux123
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:56:56 PM
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http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/15754/darth-vader--jedi-temple-destroyer

Here is my entry its Vader as hes attacking the Jedi Temple.
corranhorn
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:15:43 PM
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We need to get one thing cleared up. Is this going to be an intellectual exercise in character design, or a more literal contest about designing a piece's card? Frankly, the only criteria that seems to matter recently has been card space, which is not really how I understood the contest originally. It dosen't bother me either way but I want to be clear.
Deathwielded
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:18:36 PM
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SignerJ wrote:
To be honest, I'm not super thrilled about the topic this time (I wasn't last time, either, but I digress),

Well if you win then you get to chose the next guy (and we will all complain about your pickRazz)
Anyways what two picks would have been better? we had Revan who is super custom friendly and has a huge fanbase, and Darth Vader who is the Main character in Star Wars.
Cassus fett
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:27:51 PM
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corranhorn wrote:
We need to get one thing cleared up. Is this going to be an intellectual exercise in character design, or a more literal contest about designing a piece's card? Frankly, the only criteria that seems to matter recently has been card space, which is not really how I understood the contest originally. It dosen't bother me either way but I want to be clear.


Me too
Deathwielded
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:30:09 PM
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corranhorn wrote:
We need to get one thing cleared up. Is this going to be an intellectual exercise in character design, or a more literal contest about designing a piece's card? Frankly, the only criteria that seems to matter recently has been card space, which is not really how I understood the contest originally. It dosen't bother me either way but I want to be clear.

To me card space is secondary with good character design and play ability being first however that might count toward/against someones vote for your character. Having "too much" on his stats won't disqualify a character but may have an impact nonetheless. For example consider that me and saber1 were concerned about Master Tactician in the OR the characters having this SA weren't disqualified but probably did impact the vote.
Personally? If my characters stats won't fit on a card, I would just say make the card biggerRollEyes
Deathwielded
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:36:16 PM
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corranhorn wrote:
We need to get one thing cleared up. Is this going to be an intellectual exercise in character design, or a more literal contest about designing a piece's card? Frankly, the only criteria that seems to matter recently has been card space, which is not really how I understood the contest originally. It dosen't bother me either way but I want to be clear.

This seems to be mainly because Surf is concerned about card space cuz he actually just makes cards. (which are Awesome BTWThumpUp) I know SignerJ and Pegolego also make cards and may consider that an important part of character design. I however really don't play with the cards anymore since I use Vassel (everything is Digital baby!Woot) So to each his own.
CorranHornsux123
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:44:28 PM
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i also make cards and if i dnt have enough room i either lower the font size or make the card slightly bigger
surf_rider56
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:57:33 PM
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CorranHornsux123 wrote:
http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/15754/darth-vader--jedi-temple-destroyer

Here is my entry its Vader as hes attacking the Jedi Temple.


Momentum and Cleave together may be a bit much. WTS is cool, but if this is literally the Anakin attacking the Temple, he's in charge so how can he be a follower?? Yes, its semantics .....
surf_rider56
Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:04:20 PM
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Deathwielded wrote:
corranhorn wrote:
We need to get one thing cleared up. Is this going to be an intellectual exercise in character design, or a more literal contest about designing a piece's card? Frankly, the only criteria that seems to matter recently has been card space, which is not really how I understood the contest originally. It dosen't bother me either way but I want to be clear.

This seems to be mainly because Surf is concerned about card space cuz he actually just makes cards. (which are Awesome BTWThumpUp) I know SignerJ and Pegolego also make cards and may consider that an important part of character design. I however really don't play with the cards anymore since I use Vassel (everything is Digital baby!Woot) So to each his own.


Not my intention to impede the designs of stats. I said up front its my pet peeve and I won't make stats that won't fit a card because I make cards RollEyes ... but that's My handicap; never intended or ment it to handicap anybody else Cool

CorranHornsux123 wrote:
i also make cards and if i dnt have enough room i either lower the font size or make the card slightly bigger


Yet if you make the font too small, it's useless in a card (ever notice how small the TFU Revan card font is?) Also, if you amke a card "bigger" than its really an Epic and not the standard sized card which is what I aim at.

I've preached enough ... hit mute and carry on BlooMilk
corranhorn
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@deathwielded Fair enough. like I said it dosen't bother me but I wanted to be sure of how it was to be done before I got started on another piece.
corranhorn
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surf_rider56 wrote:
CorranHornsux123 wrote:
http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/15754/darth-vader--jedi-temple-destroyer

Here is my entry its Vader as hes attacking the Jedi Temple.


Momentum and Cleave together may be a bit much. WTS is cool, but if this is literally the Anakin attacking the Temple, he's in charge so how can he be a follower?? Yes, its semantics .....


Well, he was following Palpatine's orders at the time.
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