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Eroschilles wrote:GMLS is quite the ultimate beat, but I think a bunch of shooters could still take him down with some luck. Exactly why I think he is still good at 150. Less shooters to worry about. Sincerely, Jester007
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At 150 points, I'd go with Luke, 27-point Lobot, one noble, and an ugnaught. Bring in what you need via Lobot on a game-to-game basis (bodyguards, more activations, some shooting). Against any kind of Dash + Rex squad, or, God forbid, Twi'lek vigos, he'll go done in flames for sure. Against melee heavy builds, however, I think he could well prevail.
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Dash and Red will only hit 1/2 the time with his 23 defense, 27 in cover. Then he can defense the attacks that land. A vigo gets killed by luke if they are with 12-14 squares. So, I wouldn't say he goes down in flames if he's being handled well. Especially if he has the new leia with him to double those LS defense saves.
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I'm going to use GMLS with everyone, and see who comes out best. i have a 500 pt game coming up with my friend this week, and I'm using GMLS. I've used him twice so far, in a 300 pt and a 200 pt game. in the 300, i used ossus guardian, leia, and cade as backups. in the 200, i think i used leia and a couple of mini dudes. he is just so much fun to use. thank you wizards. i enjoy him costing so much. would you rather he was costed less? it wouldnt be as awesome.
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sharron wrote:I'm going to use GMLS with everyone, and see who comes out best. i have a 500 pt game coming up with my friend this week, and I'm using GMLS. I've used him twice so far, in a 300 pt and a 200 pt game. in the 300, i used ossus guardian, leia, and cade as backups. in the 200, i think i used leia and a couple of mini dudes. he is just so much fun to use. thank you wizards. i enjoy him costing so much. would you rather he was costed less? it wouldnt be as awesome. Na Mr Gmls is perfecctly costed. And i have come 1 save 11 away from killing him with durge jedi hunter!!!
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In our 150 point sealed JA tourney I pulled Luke and Leia. Iran them with 2 younglings. Was fun ,but HK-50,force repulse and lightning are scary
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Jester007 wrote:Boba Fettuccine wrote: I just cannot get over his high point cost. Unless someone pulls off a miracle with craming characters into some here-to-unseen combo, he is unplayable in the 150 point setting.
I am going to have to disagree. I played a 150 point tournament using GMLS, Cade Padawan, Dodonna, and 2 uggies. I won all three of my games. In one of them, I played on the Bespin map against: GMY The Dark Woman Quinlan Vos, Infiltrator Antarian Ranger R2 Astro R4 Droid Uggy Mas Amedda I won the Initiative on round 3 and ran Luke down the main hallway where his ENTIRE squad was waiting. Ran up giving The Dark Woman an AOO on me (which he missed), and killed R2. For the next three rounds Luke fought the rest of the squad (even with GMY having his Ataru Mastery going) and took out GMY, The Dark Woman, uggy, the Ranger and Quinlan. Luke came close to dying when Yoda got a crit, but I blocked it. Reason why I think Luke can be played at 150 points is because he won't have to deal with as much stuff. Sit back a little to build FPs and he should come out OK (as long as no Vong are on the table). Sincerely, Jester007 No offense but if that is the reasoning you are using to say GMLS is playable in 150 then you don't quite understand Luke's problem in 150. Luke destroys Melee squads, the only shooter on that squad needs a 13 on Luke in cxover, and GMY and Vos while a fun combo are two of the most fragile beatsticks in the game. It isn't a bad squad but Luke can and probably will defeat that squad 80% of the time, probably. Djem So alone is enough to kill it, forget Cade. Go play a few competitive shooter squads played by competitive players and then you will discover Luke's issues in 150.
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I ran him with Han GH, Kyp, and Dodonna. I won, I do think I am going to try running him with three uggies instead of Dodonna. It evens out with the activations if you think about it, and you get a little bit of door control.
The key to Luke is sitting him back (I learned this the hard way) until all the shooters are all gone. AS will help with that. I chose Han over Aurra because of GMA and evade, not to mention dissruptive. Han could do 60 a round and Aurra can only do 30. Once all the shooters are gone Luke can destroy everyone else.
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I think GMY can go one on one with luke for a round. thats 80 damage yoda might be dead but then you have rex and dash to finish him off odds are he has taken damage. so luke i dont think will win that match plus yoda has throw so i would just throw on him if i could early then go one on one late.
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GMY might only get 60 damage on Luke, every time yoda hits luke for 20, luke can hit back for 50. Yoda attacks 3 times, luke can hit him for 150. Then luke can stop 2 of those attacks. With the new leia near luke, its likely yoda will attack luke 3 times, doing 20 damage and being killed by luke. Yodas LS throw is his best weapon against luke, mostly cuz luke won't hit him back for it.
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Eroschilles wrote:GMY might only get 60 damage on Luke, every time yoda hits luke for 20, luke can hit back for 50. Yoda attacks 3 times, luke can hit him for 150. Then luke can stop 2 of those attacks. With the new leia near luke, its likely yoda will attack luke 3 times, doing 20 damage and being killed by luke. Yodas LS throw is his best weapon against luke, mostly cuz luke won't hit him back for it. Leia won't be alive. Yoda attacks after the shooters have hit, not before. I played this exact match out on Vassal today, and Yoda made his first melee attack when Luke hit 60hps. Easy game really since I played it well. And all I had for shooters was Rex, a Human Scoundrel and a Jawa Scavenger. Nice part was, it required clever strategy on my part to pull off, but in 150, Luke has no support options that will live long enough against any top level squad and player to make a bit of difference. Luke is not competitive in 150 at the top levels, at lower levels, yes, he will be playable.
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I'm not saying he will be realistically competitive at the top levels, just that one on one Yoda isn't going to necessarily get a whole round on Luke. You said it took you a clever strategy to pull off that manuever, so it might be safe to say that GMY beating GMLS is not going occur on a regular basis. I don't know how Leia got killed before luke unless you LS threw at her or flew rex passed Leia. I would have assumed the best way to play those two together would be to keep luke out front and leia close, but hidden. How did you manage to take her out first?
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Have any *ahem* "top" players tried GMLS in 150 pt. play? Or are all reports of his lack of playability based on playing against him?
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I think most of the reports of a lack of playability comes from looking at his point cost. There's just not that much room for anyone else. Not matter how much of a power house he is, he can still be swarmed by decent pieces and taken out.
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Eroschilles wrote:I think most of the reports of a lack of playability comes from looking at his point cost. There's just not that much room for anyone else. Not matter how much of a power house he is, he can still be swarmed by decent pieces and taken out. That is true to an extent. Luke's very nature in 150 makes him hard to beat unless you have a squad where figures can Jolt/Shockstaff him or have more than 2 attacks on their turn so he doesn't LS defense one or both. Playing Luke in 150 requires a lot of patience, and a lot of Master Speed. Target priority is how you win games with him not with just throwing him in the middle. Most low cost utility figures like R2, TBSV, Dodonna, Mas, etc are 40 HP or under so killing them on a 14 square move is sometimes possible and is often the better move then just hitting the main enemy figure for 40. He is a piece that has a lot of hypotheticals and everyone has opinions, until you actually play him vs good players and good squads or against him when he is played by a good player and you have a good squad it is all speculation to find out. I think he can take out a lot of power squads but has trouble with off the wall ones like Mandos, Vong (Especially Vong), and even Meta Sith squads with Jarael and Force Lightning to drain his FPs makes him a lot less scary.
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so after all is said and done would you be better to play luke with leia, cade or ugs/mouse droids and dodonna at 150?
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Luke and Fodder is really the only option at 150. 5 activations MAX with Leia (you cannot bring Cade) will result in him getting slaughtered. You will get outmaneuvered, and Leia will go down first.
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Sithborg wrote:Luke and Fodder is really the only option at 150. 5 activations MAX with Leia (you cannot bring Cade) will result in him getting slaughtered. You will get outmaneuvered, and Leia will go down first. It isn't going to be good no matter what you do. He isn't going to be a good figure at 150. With Dodonna and all fodder, you still have the problem of figures with 50hps requiring 2 rounds to kill. You still have the init dependency without recon to deal any significant damage. And so on. It just isn't a great option. Sure, it will be fun once in a while, I've done it, it's kinda fun to see what you can do with Luke. But you won't be winning any significant games without a lot of luck.
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sharron wrote:I'm going to use GMLS with everyone, and see who comes out best. i have a 500 pt game coming up with my friend this week, and I'm using GMLS. I've used him twice so far, in a 300 pt and a 200 pt game. in the 300, i used ossus guardian, leia, and cade as backups. in the 200, i think i used leia and a couple of mini dudes. he is just so much fun to use. thank you wizards. i enjoy him costing so much. would you rather he was costed less? it wouldnt be as awesome. At 500, GMLS should be a beast. I think I'll see what I can come up with at 500 for GMLS.
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joelker41 wrote:Eroschilles wrote:I think most of the reports of a lack of playability comes from looking at his point cost. There's just not that much room for anyone else. Not matter how much of a power house he is, he can still be swarmed by decent pieces and taken out. That is true to an extent. Luke's very nature in 150 makes him hard to beat unless you have a squad where figures can Jolt/Shockstaff him or have more than 2 attacks on their turn so he doesn't LS defense one or both. Playing Luke in 150 requires a lot of patience, and a lot of Master Speed. Target priority is how you win games with him not with just throwing him in the middle. Most low cost utility figures like R2, TBSV, Dodonna, Mas, etc are 40 HP or under so killing them on a 14 square move is sometimes possible and is often the better move then just hitting the main enemy figure for 40. He is a piece that has a lot of hypotheticals and everyone has opinions, until you actually play him vs good players and good squads or against him when he is played by a good player and you have a good squad it is all speculation to find out. I think he can take out a lot of power squads but has trouble with off the wall ones like Mandos, Vong (Especially Vong), and even Meta Sith squads with Jarael and Force Lightning to drain his FPs makes him a lot less scary. Very well said
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