@all,
I do apologize for being verbose,
indulge me a moment longer
to be blunt -
there have been compromises increasingly the last few months -
I want to use the adjective "staggering", because these few simple errata have been like quickly pulling off the bandaid - a little painful, but then you forget you had a scrape. After Poggle, after Daala, people have mellowed, and they're trying different squads and having dare I say,
fun, when playing SWMinis. ObiKin is a sorta momentary annoyance, new Boba is ridiculous but'll be counter-able. Not too many other hotspots in VSET land otherwise.
we're all here to have as much fun as possible; which was the stated goal of this particular thread --- another in a series of threads on a related vein.
People also seem to be suffering from textrage intermittently - wilful or otherwise;
Sithborg was suggesting that the phrasing for an option "No, learn to deal with it" was a loaded-term,
a phrase with a felt connotation, which to some might imply, a perception of 'ownership',
a lack of compromise/conciliatory approach with no consultation whatsoever -
Sithborg wasn't telling anyone what they can or can't say, merely reflecting that there are some codes of conduct,
and in an unprovoked scenario where ostensibly no-one is being hostile,
where there have been increased discussion and compromises visibly made,
it could be seen as hostile, combative or somewhat aggressive to have an option phrased that way.
I can also step outside of the box just enough, to empathise somewhat with people who are suggesting that,
taking errata or variants much beyond the present area, could start to see unforeseen new meta squads or broken combos form.
that's a fair point - it's happened before a little, but I can get the chicken-and-egg,
self-defeating and vicious circularity that could happen
"We changed the mouse droid, so we had to change the x,y,z;
which then meant that p,q,r,s became "abusive" combos, so we had to ban p,q,r,s/alter p,q,r,s (because of the mouse droid, which made x,y,z... etc) this could happen, if in introducing RPG-style elements, or too complex, or by altering the sizing system, it could make that 'infinite regress happen'
cue "Chad Badya", or lamb chop "this is the song that doesn't end...".
Why am I caring?
It would be unfortunate to see a banhammer or fallout and misunderstandings occur;
especially over what Jak coined as "Mouse Leavings",
which is just a variation of NegativePlayExperience/PoorSportsPersonsShip, to abuse a feature in such a way, or to when a 'mismatch' occurs, abuse a technical superiority, it hollows the victory in competitive settings. Its 'not-Griefing", "I-can't-believe-it's-not-Greif-ing", Star Wars Minis style, one lame 2pt activation at a time.
That's not what anyone thought would happen; certainly not the picture anyone has in mind when,
they think of "Star. Wars. Miniatures." - that's some cognitive dissonance right there,
when people are looking for blasters and lightsabers, maybe a few critters/aliens or... Vong etc,
and instead, they're hit with "That guy from 2minutes of Empire Strikes Back", "That skink-lizard from 10 seconds of the 3D animated Clone Wars tv show", "those droids from 32 seconds of Star Wars Ep IV"... |"that whole faction from books I've never read, who I can hurt with a regular squad..." that never gets old
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Its looking to be not an "If", but "When" and "How, exactly" that something is altered about the < 5 pt range of pieces at the moment;
and the positive signs? A lot of different people are objectively arriving at similar conclusions, and the best bit?
they're coming up with easier "win-wins" to solve that.
Luckily, in the interim,
theres an informal understanding, a players agreement, which could be made.
We know we
could use these 'super awesome' nukes, droids, bioweapons... but there'd be nothing left.
we know we
could use those awesome 2 & 3 pt pieces in non-swarm builds... but we'll try and cut down on that.
I have to declare a bias, I am an intermittent droid-swarm player,
but, when you play a game, and can visibly see an opponent (who you want to still have a rapport with after a game is said and done),
you can visibly see the opponent's eyes roll, that precise moment where he/she/they just lose all entire interest... as if to say - "Gee, what a waste of the last ~45mins, and/or my money I bought these figures with..."
that's something I think people want to avoid, and maybe what's motivating the increased pathos on those kinds of issues.
There'd have to be a happy medium, where swarms can still sorta work, but they are defeatable too.