And I enjoy varying up the maps and the huge number we have to choose from so always down for changes. I know we'll never get it quite right for Huges but maybe one day having a huge-friendly sub-list would be cool!

I will try to look at these tonight, thanks TJ

I think one of the biggest issues (as alluded to by others) is that people can FEEL there is an imbalance when there isn't one because they have less experience on a particular map than their opponent. It doesn't matter how long or when the map came out, some people just know some maps better than others and gain an advantage so even though a map might be balanced (or nearly so), it feels imbalance because the player who knows it better is better positioned to get more shots, better lines, cooler plays, etc.

Commanders office is unsalable against melee squads without fast movement. The yellow squares slow them down, they cannot capture Gambit First round and than it is a huge pain to reach the opponent in Gambit.
Think about caedus Vader vergere. How do you get to Gambit first round? Well you don't, and can't. That is normal for a lot of maps. But if you start on right it is a hopeless case getting around all that to where the enemy is standing in the turbo lift. The opponent has two hallways to be in and just wait.


So things like levitation, swap, and master speed are HUGE benefits to bypass the yellow and green squares.
On top of that it is sneaky door control abused as well. The other routes to get through are long and arduous if your DC is accurate shotted or strsfed

Sure. This thread is really just an exercise to either

* demonstrate that there are no universally-accepted maps (i.e. for every map there's someone who objects to it).
* or identify the relatively few maps that have no objections at all.

I'm not doing any evaluations on whether the complaints are valid. Here are the last 12 contenders without an objection. There are plenty of community members who haven't chimed in, so I don't think I have any confidence in this list at this point. But here it is:

I'm sure you'lll all laugh at (with) me here,
but to me - the map for minis is like my choice of golf course...
Due to my golf handicap, it doesn't really matter what golf course i play on, its not going to affect my game, and i'm still going to have fun :)
LOL
Bring on any of those maps. No complaints here, I haven't played on them enough to know all the tricks and crazy line of sights anyway.. just gonna barge my way up and swing some 'sabers ;0

I do like the Dark side and Light side idea though for map lists. Its cool.

When it comes to looking at what a good map is or not I do not tend to think about map balance for both sides, otherwise simulation deck would be the best map ever. When you pick a map the person that doesn't win map gets first dibs on what side they want. If the map is imbalanced the other player will almost always pick the best side. Then the person that picked map gets to play their map, but from the worse side. The nature of how we pick maps in competition makes a complete balance kind of unimportant, unless the difference is extreme.

For me good maps are the ones that are difficult to exploit, but every map is exploitable by the right squad and player. So in the end I have to go to Balancing on a term of multiple squad types being able to play on it. Does strafe dominate on this map? Is it a swap players wet dream? Is it open for shooters? Do melee have protection? Do melee have a safe-ish path to Gambit? Those type of questions once answered can bring forth the cream of the map packs.

I am going to look at the map lists and get a top 10 list going.

We need to take over the Map List duties from Brad. He is understandably busy and it seems like the time as he does not play any more as well. We didn't get a change for 2018 and we need to be sure to set one for 2019 after GenCon has finished. Weigh in if you will and we can be star to get a tentative list together. Thanks Brad for all your help in the past.

No objections here

Bump. Two years later.