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Lachesis
Posted: Saturday, September 5, 2009 12:51:50 PM
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wait uggie demo, wasnt it your RL friend rating squads 1s for the longest time.

to the op crymore seriously its a game.
Sithborg
Posted: Saturday, September 5, 2009 1:22:38 PM
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Billiv shares a LOT of my sentiments. I have used a system that required comments. It DID NOT STOP THE TROLLS. In fact, the biggest troll in the gaming world still went on a rating rampage if someone pissed him off.

The ratings are insignificant if you are actually looking for feedback. And requiring a comment won't necessarily help that. I know for me, I would post a lot of "meh" comments, as quite a few things I rate are uninterestings, with nothing really to suggest. I mean, I have practically stopped looking at NR squads, as they are so vanilla.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:56:54 PM
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See this is my main issue with the rating system.. its a gift & a curse. Its a gift in a sense that if a squad is rated good, it will good noticed more than usual. Its a curse that when someone drops a 1 after 1 after 1 with no comment, the squad gets lost in the site, when people see low ratings they dont even bother looking at the squad.

I think the squad builder on this site is smart & amazing. It keeps us players talking about new idea's, giving each other prop's on a good build. So taking away ratings on the squad builder i would say is a no no. Why do that? If you make it to where you have to leave a comment, than the 1 ratings with no comment will drop, i know this. These people are cowards & dont want to be noticed or known for the person doing it.

As for saying stop crying? 1 thats uncalled for. 2 if you have no problem with the rating system then you have no buisness even reading this thread. 3, i know when i spend 20 minutes on studying good syrnegy for a squad, coming up with idea's & what not, taking my time to build a good squad, & then before i can even make it public its getting a 1 with no comment, its like the 20 minutes i just spent building that squad was wasted. For what? Whats the point? Shinja made the thing to help eachother out & regardless if you have a problem with the rating system or not, its disrespective to us players & to shinja, Plain & simple.

Noone's crying, i feel a great option on a site is being ruined by these duchebags. I made a squad about 5 days ago which got a 4 rating, but someone commented on why it got a 4 rating & i thanked that person for even leaving a comment. Just the comment alone meant something because he explained why i got that rating he also explained additional ways to go with the squad. Thats why the squad builder is there. It isnt there to get your squad top rated. It just so happens that your squad will get the more feedback if rated good & on top so yea we all shoot for them spots.

Then these guys come & unbalance the whole option of the squad builder. Im telling you, make it to where you have to leave a comment & it slow down. Ratings wont stop either, because the majority of the people leave a comment. I believe its a select few that do this. Also when someone is mad or dont like someone they do this. Why not just stop it all together & make comments manditory?

So to say anyones crying about it is off, dont read a thread if the interest doesnt spark with yours. From you coming in & saying stuff like that makes me think that it could be you doing this & your drawing attention off the topic. But then again it can be any one of us which it is any one of us who do this. I say just have to leave a comment & it will be solved.
joelker41
Posted: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:04:54 PM
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Darth Percocet wrote:
See this is my main issue with the rating system.. its a gift & a curse. Its a gift in a sense that if a squad is rated good, it will good noticed more than usual. Its a curse that when someone drops a 1 after 1 after 1 with no comment, the squad gets lost in the site, when people see low ratings they dont even bother looking at the squad.

I think the squad builder on this site is smart & amazing. It keeps us players talking about new idea's, giving each other prop's on a good build. So taking away ratings on the squad builder i would say is a no no. Why do that? If you make it to where you have to leave a comment, than the 1 ratings with no comment will drop, i know this. These people are cowards & dont want to be noticed or known for the person doing it.

As for saying stop crying? 1 thats uncalled for. 2 if you have no problem with the rating system then you have no buisness even reading this thread. 3, i know when i spend 20 minutes on studying good syrnegy for a squad, coming up with idea's & what not, taking my time to build a good squad, & then before i can even make it public its getting a 1 with no comment, its like the 20 minutes i just spent building that squad was wasted. For what? Whats the point? Shinja made the thing to help eachother out & regardless if you have a problem with the rating system or not, its disrespective to us players & to shinja, Plain & simple.

Noone's crying, i feel a great option on a site is being ruined by these duchebags. I made a squad about 5 days ago which got a 4 rating, but someone commented on why it got a 4 rating & i thanked that person for even leaving a comment. Just the comment alone meant something because he explained why i got that rating he also explained additional ways to go with the squad. Thats why the squad builder is there. It isnt there to get your squad top rated. It just so happens that your squad will get the more feedback if rated good & on top so yea we all shoot for them spots.

Then these guys come & unbalance the whole option of the squad builder. Im telling you, make it to where you have to leave a comment & it slow down. Ratings wont stop either, because the majority of the people leave a comment. I believe its a select few that do this. Also when someone is mad or dont like someone they do this. Why not just stop it all together & make comments manditory?

So to say anyones crying about it is off, dont read a thread if the interest doesnt spark with yours. From you coming in & saying stuff like that makes me think that it could be you doing this & your drawing attention off the topic. But then again it can be any one of us which it is any one of us who do this. I say just have to leave a comment & it will be solved.



So basically if anyone disagrees with your opinion, which is the central part of this thread clearly to you then they are wrong and should stay out of 'your' thread? Really?

What is the point of posting this? What is the point of this thread?

Honestly if you just want to complain about a system you think is broken and have to belabor the point over and over and OVER and people who disagree or don't think this is a big deal like you clearly feel the need to convey then quit dismissing people.


We have established and I agree with Bill and Sithborg this isn't a killer issue to this site. Squad ratings of a 1 does not ruin a site, honestly posting in dismissive and passive aggressive tones like this do.

Honestly the fact you have spent so much time trying to rallysupport to some 'cause' and dismissing people who don't have issues with this site is flat out ignorant.

Your opinion is not the end all be all of arguments. These are FORUMS, the word FORUM and it's meaning is derived from ancient centers of debate and meeting.

The second someone posts on this site you are open to having the issue discussed and if you expect people to read your post and give it merit you have to do the same.

Squad ratings aren't an issue for any one of the dozens of people I know on this site. The fact people can't grow up about it is sad, the fact it bugs you this much I would agree borders on similar levels of sadness.

Grow up about ratings. Grow up about other people's opinions. Half the people on the top 5 don't realize it, and even fewer care about it.

I would take the emotion out of it, people are people and you need a thicker skin IMO.
Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:21:23 PM
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i dont want to get into the debate of the point of this thread, but i will say this.
someone is going way out of their way to score squads at a 1. now I, personally, do not care about the scoring of my armies. its really trivial to be honest. i would rather feel proud of my success with my squads victory, then to have the highest rating on this site.
but like i said, someone is scoring 1s, and alot of them at that. if these guys want to waste their time doing this, i say let em. yea, yea, i know, thats ridiculous of me to say this shite, but like i said earlier in the thread, no matter what, people will do this.
its not a hot bed issue. take it for what its worth.....nothing.
joelker41
Posted: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:31:51 PM
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:
i dont want to get into the debate of the point of this thread, but i will say this.
someone is going way out of their way to score squads at a 1. now I, personally, do not care about the scoring of my armies. its really trivial to be honest. i would rather feel proud of my success with my squads victory, then to have the highest rating on this site.
but like i said, someone is scoring 1s, and alot of them at that. if these guys want to waste their time doing this, i say let em. yea, yea, i know, thats ridiculous of me to say this shite, but like i said earlier in the thread, no matter what, people will do this.
its not a hot bed issue. take it for what its worth.....nothing.


Precisely.

It simply isn't worth this much stress or even attention in my opinion.
DarthJak
Posted: Sunday, September 6, 2009 1:22:47 AM
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Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Sunday, September 6, 2009 6:40:16 AM
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Jak said it perfectly.
no matter what we do, there will always be haters. its real easy to do foul Shite in a safe place. whoever the screw head is, hes probably jackin off in a bath of peanut butter, as his finger strolls the ones on this site. hes a loser, hes a punk. end of story.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Sunday, September 6, 2009 8:52:28 AM
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joelker41 wrote:
Darth Percocet wrote:
See this is my main issue with the rating system.. its a gift & a curse. Its a gift in a sense that if a squad is rated good, it will good noticed more than usual. Its a curse that when someone drops a 1 after 1 after 1 with no comment, the squad gets lost in the site, when people see low ratings they dont even bother looking at the squad.

I think the squad builder on this site is smart & amazing. It keeps us players talking about new idea's, giving each other prop's on a good build. So taking away ratings on the squad builder i would say is a no no. Why do that? If you make it to where you have to leave a comment, than the 1 ratings with no comment will drop, i know this. These people are cowards & dont want to be noticed or known for the person doing it.

As for saying stop crying? 1 thats uncalled for. 2 if you have no problem with the rating system then you have no buisness even reading this thread. 3, i know when i spend 20 minutes on studying good syrnegy for a squad, coming up with idea's & what not, taking my time to build a good squad, & then before i can even make it public its getting a 1 with no comment, its like the 20 minutes i just spent building that squad was wasted. For what? Whats the point? Shinja made the thing to help eachother out & regardless if you have a problem with the rating system or not, its disrespective to us players & to shinja, Plain & simple.

Noone's crying, i feel a great option on a site is being ruined by these duchebags. I made a squad about 5 days ago which got a 4 rating, but someone commented on why it got a 4 rating & i thanked that person for even leaving a comment. Just the comment alone meant something because he explained why i got that rating he also explained additional ways to go with the squad. Thats why the squad builder is there. It isnt there to get your squad top rated. It just so happens that your squad will get the more feedback if rated good & on top so yea we all shoot for them spots.

Then these guys come & unbalance the whole option of the squad builder. Im telling you, make it to where you have to leave a comment & it slow down. Ratings wont stop either, because the majority of the people leave a comment. I believe its a select few that do this. Also when someone is mad or dont like someone they do this. Why not just stop it all together & make comments manditory?

So to say anyones crying about it is off, dont read a thread if the interest doesnt spark with yours. From you coming in & saying stuff like that makes me think that it could be you doing this & your drawing attention off the topic. But then again it can be any one of us which it is any one of us who do this. I say just have to leave a comment & it will be solved.



So basically if anyone disagrees with your opinion, which is the central part of this thread clearly to you then they are wrong and should stay out of 'your' thread? Really?

What is the point of posting this? What is the point of this thread?

Honestly if you just want to complain about a system you think is broken and have to belabor the point over and over and OVER and people who disagree or don't think this is a big deal like you clearly feel the need to convey then quit dismissing people.


We have established and I agree with Bill and Sithborg this isn't a killer issue to this site. Squad ratings of a 1 does not ruin a site, honestly posting in dismissive and passive aggressive tones like this do.

Honestly the fact you have spent so much time trying to rallysupport to some 'cause' and dismissing people who don't have issues with this site is flat out ignorant.

Your opinion is not the end all be all of arguments. These are FORUMS, the word FORUM and it's meaning is derived from ancient centers of debate and meeting.

The second someone posts on this site you are open to having the issue discussed and if you expect people to read your post and give it merit you have to do the same.

Squad ratings aren't an issue for any one of the dozens of people I know on this site. The fact people can't grow up about it is sad, the fact it bugs you this much I would agree borders on similar levels of sadness.

Grow up about ratings. Grow up about other people's opinions. Half the people on the top 5 don't realize it, and even fewer care about it.

I would take the emotion out of it, people are people and you need a thicker skin IMO.


I didnt say if anyone disagreed with my opinion they are wrong, i said if the topic of this thread doesnt affect you, then you have no buisness reading it then, im not gonna get into a long debate with you again, Im just gonna say this to you, you said you made it a habbit not to read what i write, so im gonna say stick stronger with your words because i dont want you reading what i say.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:33:42 AM
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:
OK.
This Thread has gotten way out of hand.
Joelker and Perc, you guys should consider taking this to PMs. You fellas dont like each other, thats pretty obvious. but baiting each other is pointless.
im not picking sides here, but we have new members who can easily be deterred from using this site because of this behavior.


Nah i hear ya, he's gonna stop, i'll make sure to that.. now back on topic...

Like i said before, even though some people dont care about the rating system or go by it, other people do. The majority of the people do so taking away the rating system isnt the idea. When you have to leave a comment, the cowards behind this wont do it anymore. & i say if having to leave a comment the person still does it then you know what, i would have so much respect for that person to put themselves out in the open. Bottom line. But if these people as of right now are afraid to leave a comment, That means they are cowards & rats as we call them in philly. Bottom line is if you can live with being a coward & with being a slimey rat, then so be it, you'll get along through life fine.

Its obvious that this just dont happen to everyone, thats why everyone dont see it as a problem, it happens to the people who build good squads. It all comes down to jealousy & envy. Like myself, i know why it happens to me & i have a good idea of who it is, thats why we need a blocking user system on here to where you can block a specific users from rating your squads. These little suggestions would solve the problem. Problem is, its more work for Shinja.

Its more work for Shinja to put these idea's in action. & thats what gets me the most, here the guy makes this site for everyone & works hard on it, & people dont seem to view this as a problem. Yea because your not the one putting in the work. & some people just honestly dont care about the rating system because they have no ego's which i salute them people. Me i have an ego, but also i spend time on building these squads & i dont see how people cant see its just a straight spit in the face to users on this site, but especially to Shinja. Dude your on his site & to go & do that. If i were him im sure he can find out who does it, if i were him id ban these people from the site. To much envy & jealousy on this site, plain & simple
Mandalore Da Beast
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ive been hit by the 1 bug too many times to count.
at first, it frustrated the jesus outta me, but then it kept happening. thats probably what got me to not caring anymore.
and for those who want to know who it is, shark the squad building section, watch for the random 1s, and look who is on the bottom of the screen with you. thats how i figured out who it was. and no, i will not say who it is. i will let them either stop, or bury themselves. if it continues, ill let Shinja and Chucka know. there is no point in instigating this any further.
"End, the Flame Wars will".
Uggie Demo
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Lachesis wrote:
wait uggie demo, wasnt it your RL friend rating squads 1s for the longest time.

to the op crymore seriously its a game.

he claims that he didn't rate any squads a 1, I dont believe him one bit, I think he is lying through his teeth just so I forget about what happened a month ago, which will never happen.
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Have you stopped to think for a moment that it is possible that the reason you get so many negative ratings is because you make such a big deal about it? Some people just like making other people's day worse.
Mandalore Da Beast
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agreed.
the more we invest in this, the more we become "Legal Targets".
Sithborg
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Darth Percocet wrote:
Like i said before, even though some people dont care about the rating system or go by it, other people do. The majority of the people do so taking away the rating system isnt the idea. When you have to leave a comment, the cowards behind this wont do it anymore. & i say if having to leave a comment the person still does it then you know what, i would have so much respect for that person to put themselves out in the open. Bottom line. But if these people as of right now are afraid to leave a comment, That means they are cowards & rats as we call them in philly. Bottom line is if you can live with being a coward & with being a slimey rat, then so be it, you'll get along through life fine.


How many times do I have to say it. Requiring a comment WILL NOT STOP THE PROBLEM. In fact, comments will only lead to fueds. Can you seriously say that if you get comments like "This sux!!!!", "Loses to Bane", or "Squad was already made", that you will respect them. You will be in the minority.

As for being "lost", guess what. You have 10+ squads posted a DAY, you will quickly get lost in the shuffle no matter what. A forum post remains the best way to get constructive feedback.
Uggie Demo
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Darth Percocet wrote:
Like i said before, even though some people dont care about the rating system or go by it, other people do. The majority of the people do so taking away the rating system isnt the idea. When you have to leave a comment, the cowards behind this wont do it anymore. & i say if having to leave a comment the person still does it then you know what, i would have so much respect for that person to put themselves out in the open. Bottom line. But if these people as of right now are afraid to leave a comment, That means they are cowards & rats as we call them in philly. Bottom line is if you can live with being a coward & with being a slimey rat, then so be it, you'll get along through life fine.


I dont think that them leaving any comment will work because if they desided to get smart and post something like: Great squad, I'll have to try this one out, 9. they will still get away with it, yes I know what you thinking: what about the page where you can see what people rated your squad, even if there is a 1 you still wont know who did it(unless of coarse there is only one rating) but users will start flamming each other once they see who commented on it and it will make huge problems for shinja.

Mandalore Da Beast
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Uggie brings up an excellent point.
i use Gears of War 2 as an example:
everytime Epic games finds a way to patch a "glitch", or a cheat, someone always finds a way to re-configure a new cheat (it doesnt help the fact either that when GoW2 came out, it wasnt 100%, therefore resulting in numerous patches for Glitchers)
its Murphys Law, usually whatever can go wrong, will.
i now use squad building only to enhance my squads. ill take ideas, mix them together, and run it. if it wins, Sweet! if it loses, well, back to the drawing board.
i will say that alot of you guys who have gotten the ones, didnt deserve them, cuz you guys make kick arse squads.
Darth Percocet
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blasted uggie, you just ruined my day lol... i didnt even think about that aspect of it, to where someone can say hey i like your 9, but then still drop a 1 & you wouldnt know who did it.. i didnt even think of it like that.. I get what your saying too Sithborg, i guess with making this thread my main goal is this, you call them rats & cowards enough maybe it sinks in & they stop.. but apparently not.. this thread is drawing to much negative attention, i say if its gonna be solved then, shinja will do it inh is own time..

So basically your always gonna have little kids, cowards, rats & some other slimey species im not sure what they are lol... i get all your points & alot of points that counter acted my idea's i've had so its good we know what not to do also, so thanx everyone who posted in the thread...

Now how about this.. Does anyone have any clever Idea's that just might work to fix this issue?
Mandalore Da Beast
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i say watch the squad building forum occassionally. i usually do it late at night when not many people are on. i check some of the squads that were recently commented on.
if i saw that 5 minutes ago a squad was rated an 8, and there were 8 people that had left a rating, and i go back, and then theres a 7 or a 6.5, that pretty much lets me know who did it.
even then its still not enough proof for the average joe, but its just enough proof for me.
Darth Percocet
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:
i say watch the squad building forum occassionally. i usually do it late at night when not many people are on. i check some of the squads that were recently commented on.
if i saw that 5 minutes ago a squad was rated an 8, and there were 8 people that had left a rating, and i go back, and then theres a 7 or a 6.5, that pretty much lets me know who did it.
even then its still not enough proof for the average joe, but its just enough proof for me.


i mean uggie probably gave us the best answer on having to leave a comment of it not stopping, you would be able to narrow it down, but it wont stop. Im about to just look at every user name i come acrossed & see the average squad ratings they give, that will point out the ones who just do it to ever squad they come acrossed. As for the other people who do it to you, its gonna be people who are jealous & hate you. Which i already know who it is doing it to me. These people are ridiculous, there cowards, & rats, & honestly, im startin to pitty them, bottom line is if you can be a coward over the internet to the extent of you not wanting to be noticed over the internet, than imagine how these people live daily in the real world. Atleast over the internet were devided by 100's even 1000's of miles from eachother. So if there afraid to even make themselves noticed on here, than imagine how afraid they are in reality, of there shadow & what not, so im really starting to pitty them.

But we really need to come up with something. To the people who dont go by squad ratings & dont care about the ratings, dont worry about this thread then since it doesnt effect you. But to the people who do care about getting feedback & for the rating system, lets come up with a full proof idea to stop these jag-offs..
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