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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
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pitcherstar wrote: Could it be that most of the people with differing opinions than those of the gamer's community simply don't go on the gamers site, because they know their opinions would not be welcome and simply don't wish to stir up trouble? At gamers, you have to sign up for an account, get approved, and have your first posts approved. Granted, the guys over there have a logical reason for doing so, but still its alot of security and a little bit of hassle just to begin posting over on that site and viewing material posted over there.
At Gamers we welcome all opinions. If you're going to Gamers specifically to disagree with everyone, then that's considering Trolling and it's not tolerated. You do not have to get approved before posting, you just have to have your first 3 posts approved to ensure you're not a SpamBot (trust me, before we instigated this process Gamers was completely infested with SpamBots). It's just 3 posts that need to be approved and any mod can do it, there's hardly any waiting at all. pitcherstar wrote: So why would a member of the "community" go through that trouble just to be able to view material and post on a site where they know they wouldn't be welcome?
As I said, everyone is welcome at Gamers as long as it is not their intent to start Trolling and disagreeing with everything. Not everyone at Gamers agrees with the V-Sets but they still post regularly. We have disagreements all the time with members but it's always a civil disagreement.
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@Pitcherstar,
Just to be clear this is the site where TOpics are censored and deleted and moved without explanation. Please enlighten me more of this sites wonderful tolerance.
This is the only site where I have moderators sending me ugly pm's calling me names. Granted he has resigned now but still you get the picture and when he sent the pm he was a moderator.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 1/5/2009 Posts: 2,240 Location: Akron Ohio, just south of dantooine.
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I want to disagree, but I'm not going to. People, let it go.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 3/27/2008 Posts: 871 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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If you're civil, disagree all you want. A good (CIVIL) disagreement is fun, as long as it doesn't broach flaming/troling/etc levels I say go for it ^_^
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 1/5/2009 Posts: 2,240 Location: Akron Ohio, just south of dantooine.
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Yes. Civility is the key. Sadly not all are, or have been.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 4/23/2008 Posts: 907 Location: Central Pa
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When the 'Gamers site crashed last year I was one of the unfortunates whose posts and identity were lost in the shuffle. I had to completely re-register and, yes, I had to go through the same process you are complaining about. But guess what? The site is stable now and we've had no more such crashes. I really don't see what the fuss is all about. The procedure is there purely for a safeguard, not some big brother monitoring system.
Dean Miller is not a perfect person. Dean Miller makes mistakes. But Dean Miller has made sacrifices in time, energy, and money that none of us can come close to when it comes to Star Wars Miniatures. I don't agree with everything he says (I sent a PM giving my opinion on such an issue this week) but the guy has given so much for the game that I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his views on moving the game forward. Regarding his web site, the proof is in the pudding. The site works better now with the changes in place.
I post on 5 different SWM forums, if you count the WOTC site. I find value on every one of them and there are well intentioned people on each site. Bloomilk in particular offers the greatest cross section of SWM players both in age and ability. It therefore has the potential to make a great and positive impact on our community. It disappoints me to see our community bogged down in disputes when we all could be doing something to move the game forward. You don't have to like or agree with someone else's attempts. ('You' being a general term at EVERYONE in the community) If you have better ideas, implement them. Flesh them out, make them a reality. I can respect anyone who is doing something positive for the community and putting more people in seats playing the game. Just ask yourself honestly if what you are doing... what you are posting...moves the community forward. If you can honestly answer yes, then I believe the bulk of the community will be behind you.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 4/2/2008 Posts: 538 Location: GC, Missouri
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Since everyone seems to enjoy talking about me so much let me tell you exactly what is going to happen and if you dont like I dont care. Apparently most of you that keep on and on about how I am wrong dont like me anyways.... so trust me I dont care if you dont like me after this.
I did not hold Darth Jak's status as a mod hostage.
You were a syptom of the problem nothing more nothing less. It is about lack of accountability on these forums. It is about being unable to reach anyone that has any real power on this site. Please dont tell me to contact Shinja, that is a joke at best. He responds to who he wishes to and I am not one of those people. So being that I cannot contact anyone with any power to be able to assist me if need be. Then I wont be bringing the v-sets here. Since none of you can grasp Civil liability or the laws surrounding it, I guess you cannot understand why I would find it necessary to talk to someone I trust abotu stuff posted here.
All Darth Jak [***] did was show me that I put myself in real danger dealing with this site because there is no control. I have read your entire resignation letter not the edited one.
So crucify me, talk about me, hate me!!! Once someone with some real power can give me some reassurances about the control of this site and its content I wont be here..... take care and keep on flaming. Remember it is not me who is still on here tearing **** apart I am just trying to give you some truthful insight.
Mod note: Everything Dean said here could have been stated without using foul language and name calling. I will not let this type of thing go unchecked on my watch.
Dean, I know everyone is interested in hearing what you have to say about all this, but please stay within the COC when doing so. Thank you.
-swinefeld
Mod Edit: Removed additional baiting content. SB
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Rank: Moderator Groups: Member
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Joined: 8/24/2008 Posts: 5,201
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Cleaned. Dnemiller's post does contain the underlying concern he has, so it should be seen and discussed, calmly and respectfully, despite how the initial post was written. I would move the post to a different thread if I could.
But be warned, everyone is on thin ice, and I would rather not like to take more drastic measures.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 12/4/2008 Posts: 371 Location: Roswell,new mexico
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dnemiller wrote:S I put myself in real danger dealing with this site because there is no control.
well that confirms that i had discussed with a few folks...But yes gamers is an easy place to join despite me being put on notice after joining and entering a discussion about a few topics. (yes i was put on notice and can provide the postings that call me out to that effect) and besides no one said you had to post just to read the spoilers
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 4/2/2008 Posts: 538 Location: GC, Missouri
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trappedslider wrote:dnemiller wrote:S I put myself in real danger dealing with this site because there is no control.
well that confirms that i had discussed with a few folks...But yes gamers is an easy place to join despite me being put on notice after joining and entering a discussion about a few topics. (yes i was put on notice and can provide the postings that call me out to that effect) and besides no one said you had to post just to read the spoilers I realize a lot of people here have short memories or maybe just were not around on Wizards when you pulled your antics..... But you bullied and harassed (her words not mine) the VCL there Lady Hothie and then continued once you became VCL. she resigned being the VCL because of your treatment of her. So yes when you came to Gamers you were put on notice. When Mandalore Da Beast came to Gamers (yes he was welcomed to join) he was put on notice. The difference being he joined just so he could disrupt and violate the rules there and yes he was the first and onyl person banned from the site. Which took as I recall him trying for two days to get banned. Of course his posts did not even get deleted they just got modded. So really TS try to make a point but when you tell folks here that you were put on notice be sure and include your history of harassment to a person who was a great VCL and did not appreciate you having her wedding photos moved to a forum in which anyone could see them. Edit: Anytime TS you and I are on opposite sides.... Well I know I am on the correct side of the issue.
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Mod edit: Removed inflammatory comment. sf
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Well, my last half dozen or so posts on this matter got blown away, so I'll just say that so far we are continuing in good stead the SWCCG tradition of having bitter arguments about pretty much everything. The big difference being that most of the SWCCG arguments are actually, you know, about the game.
I can't wait until the first virtual set comes out and we really have something to get angry with each other about.
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Shoto Parry wrote:Mod edit: Removed inflammatory comment. sf
inflammatory?? i quoted dnemillers foul post and pointed out that it violated the CoC and asked if it was okay for all members to use such language. how is that inflammatory? my post was removed with notification, yet the troll baits again
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
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greentime wrote:Well, my last half dozen or so posts on this matter got blown away, so I'll just say that so far we are continuing in good stead the SWCCG tradition of having bitter arguments about pretty much everything. The big difference being that most of the SWCCG arguments are actually, you know, about the game.
I can't wait until the first virtual set comes out and we really have something to get angry with each other about.
+1
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Shoto Parry wrote: yet the troll baits again well you are still posting
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dnemiller wrote:Since everyone seems to enjoy talking about me so much let me tell you exactly what is going to happen and if you dont like I dont care. Apparently most of you that keep on and on about how I am wrong dont like me anyways.... so trust me I dont care if you dont like me after this.
I did not hold Darth Jak's status as a mod hostage.
You were a syptom of the problem nothing more nothing less. It is about lack of accountability on these forums. It is about being unable to reach anyone that has any real power on this site. Please dont tell me to contact Shinja, that is a joke at best. He responds to who he wishes to and I am not one of those people. So being that I cannot contact anyone with any power to be able to assist me if need be. Then I wont be bringing the v-sets here. Since none of you can grasp Civil liability or the laws surrounding it, I guess you cannot understand why I would find it necessary to talk to someone I trust abotu stuff posted here.
All Darth Jak [***] did was show me that I put myself in real danger dealing with this site because there is no control. I have read your entire resignation letter not the edited one.
So crucify me, talk about me, hate me!!! Once someone with some real power can give me some reassurances about the control of this site and its content I wont be here..... take care and keep on flaming. Remember it is not me who is still on here tearing **** apart I am just trying to give you some truthful insight.
Mod note: Everything Dean said here could have been stated without using foul language and name calling. I will not let this type of thing go unchecked on my watch.
Dean, I know everyone is interested in hearing what you have to say about all this, but please stay within the COC when doing so. Thank you.
-swinefeld
Mod Edit: Removed additional baiting content. SB
I'll ask again? how is this okay?
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Shoto Parry wrote:dnemiller wrote:Since everyone seems to enjoy talking about me so much let me tell you exactly what is going to happen and if you dont like I dont care. Apparently most of you that keep on and on about how I am wrong dont like me anyways.... so trust me I dont care if you dont like me after this.
I did not hold Darth Jak's status as a mod hostage.
You were a syptom of the problem nothing more nothing less. It is about lack of accountability on these forums. It is about being unable to reach anyone that has any real power on this site. Please dont tell me to contact Shinja, that is a joke at best. He responds to who he wishes to and I am not one of those people. So being that I cannot contact anyone with any power to be able to assist me if need be. Then I wont be bringing the v-sets here. Since none of you can grasp Civil liability or the laws surrounding it, I guess you cannot understand why I would find it necessary to talk to someone I trust abotu stuff posted here.
All Darth Jak [***] did was show me that I put myself in real danger dealing with this site because there is no control. I have read your entire resignation letter not the edited one.
So crucify me, talk about me, hate me!!! Once someone with some real power can give me some reassurances about the control of this site and its content I wont be here..... take care and keep on flaming. Remember it is not me who is still on here tearing **** apart I am just trying to give you some truthful insight.
Mod note: Everything Dean said here could have been stated without using foul language and name calling. I will not let this type of thing go unchecked on my watch.
Dean, I know everyone is interested in hearing what you have to say about all this, but please stay within the COC when doing so. Thank you.
-swinefeld
Mod Edit: Removed additional baiting content. SB
I'll ask again? how is this okay? as you can see it has been cleaned and returned by two different mods
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 7/30/2008 Posts: 1,290 Location: Stow Ohio, just north of Dantooine (vacay on Ando)
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OSUcowpoke wrote: This is the only site where I have moderators sending me ugly pm's calling me names. Granted he has resigned now but still you get the picture and when he sent the pm he was a moderator.
got any proof? [baiting material removed - this exchange needs to stop NOW - sf]
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 7/21/2009 Posts: 207 Location: Southern California
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dnemiller wrote:Since everyone seems to enjoy talking about me so much let me tell you exactly what is going to happen and if you dont like I dont care. Apparently most of you that keep on and on about how I am wrong dont like me anyways.... so trust me I dont care if you dont like me after this.
I did not hold Darth Jak's status as a mod hostage.
You were a syptom of the problem nothing more nothing less. It is about lack of accountability on these forums. It is about being unable to reach anyone that has any real power on this site. Please dont tell me to contact Shinja, that is a joke at best. He responds to who he wishes to and I am not one of those people. So being that I cannot contact anyone with any power to be able to assist me if need be. Then I wont be bringing the v-sets here. Since none of you can grasp Civil liability or the laws surrounding it, I guess you cannot understand why I would find it necessary to talk to someone I trust abotu stuff posted here.
All Darth Jak [***] did was show me that I put myself in real danger dealing with this site because there is no control. I have read your entire resignation letter not the edited one.
So crucify me, talk about me, hate me!!! Once someone with some real power can give me some reassurances about the control of this site and its content I wont be here..... take care and keep on flaming. Remember it is not me who is still on here tearing **** apart I am just trying to give you some truthful insight.
Mod note: Everything Dean said here could have been stated without using foul language and name calling. I will not let this type of thing go unchecked on my watch.
Dean, I know everyone is interested in hearing what you have to say about all this, but please stay within the COC when doing so. Thank you.
-swinefeld
Mod Edit: Removed additional baiting content. SB
. . .aaaand that's why I won't bother registering on Gamers. It might be entirely different over there, but here it seems like he's insulting and punishing everyone, when he's only mad at a few.
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dnemiller wrote:Since none of you can grasp Civil liability or the laws surrounding it, I guess you cannot understand why I would find it necessary to talk to someone I trust abotu stuff posted here. No, I can't understand it because I don't understand how there is any legal "risk" involved. The only way that I can see the V-Sets having any "civil liability" is if 1) you had to get permission from Lucas Films LTD. to produce the V-Sets, which I find unlikely because you're not trying to produce or sell the V-Sets (it's just intellectual property), or 2) you are planning on producing and selling the V-Sets, so you put your own copyright on them that none of us know about. Quite frankly, Mr. Miller, I think you are overreacting. Yes, I agree with you that most of the "higher-up" people on this site are difficult to contact and even harder to get a response from, so I understand your concern there, but that's the case with just about anything else in the real-world; you can't hardly expect to have a CEO or the President on speed-dial, and it's unrealistic to expect immediate responses from the webmaster of a website. It's not unreliability, it's just the way it works; shinja and the other admins have lives outside of this website and can't be expected to keep tabs on everything on their site 24/7. Yes, it's their responsibility, but they have other things to do that take priority. Furthermore, except for the initial threads which you and DarthJak (who, by the way, gave up his powers as moderator today) were feuding on, I have seen few highly-critical comments aimed at you in the threads that are a byproduct of your fallout with BlooMilk; you are not being "crucified" like you imagine you are. If you can't take simple criticisms or deal with your problems in a civil way without exploding at other people with vulgar comments and feeling paranoid about everyone, maybe it is best that you left. Don't get me wrong, I have told DarthJak essentially the same thing as I am telling you here (except in multiple posts and less complex language that he can better understand) and have been just as critical, if not more so, at him than you. I apologize for the unavoidable inconveniences you've had with this website, and I wish you the best in the future. As I've said before, I wish people would just leave this topic alone and let bygones be bygones; griping about things and belittling other people isn't going to solve anything.
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