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njarnagin wrote:Maybe it's time for the V-set crew to "nerf" mouse droids ??? As a designer, it's really tempting to "fix" current SWM game play issues. Where to start, certainly not at mouse droids. medium base 3 point fringe Rodian Brutes 3 point Ugo's Override in general Gambit (an OK bandaid that was applied to a larger "why should I engage problem") Mas Boardwide CE's vs ranged CE's IG-86's (silly cheap fringe droid that the Seps can totally exploit better than every other faction) The general cheap costing of fringe pieces Mouse droids granting cover with their high Jedi like defense (IMO larger issue than any SA on the mouse) The issue with changing on of these is not addressing all of them. At the end, the game will not look much like the SWM that we know. Let's say you have been out of the scene for 2 years and return to play (it does happen). You show up to play a tourney only to find out that the pieces you brought to play are no longer "legal" with the WOTC provided stat card. The other way... You show up to play after 2 years with your WOTC cards. You learn of the "new" "insert cool unique fig name" that came out in the V sets. When you get home you print out the PDF and you are now using the new (hopefully better) figure. I like the second story better than the first.
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tonythetoyman wrote:Since WOTC is no longer in involved, it would be great if they at least got rid of the rule saying you had to have a card for each one (this was unique rule to the mouse droid for some reason... normally one card would suffice). Then, people could make two from one for at least some of theirs. The main reason given for this was that WOTC was in this to make money, now that they are out of it and we are into the vSets, I think this rule could easily go. the specific rule you are reffering to is that you have to have the official card for each CUSTOM figure you have, you only have to have 1 card for each non custom of that figure. It wasnt made just for mouse droids, it was isn place beforethey came to be.
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engineer wrote:Mouse droids granting cover with their high Jedi like defense (IMO larger issue than any SA on the mouse) jak and I have been using this house rule form some time: Mouse Droids do not grant cover and do not count as the nearest enemy. They they may also be walked over(sometimes crushed) by other figs. Cannot stop in thier space.
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tonythetoyman wrote:Since WOTC is no longer in involved, it would be great if they at least got rid of the rule saying you had to have a card for each one (this was unique rule to the mouse droid for some reason... normally one card would suffice). Then, people could make two from one for at least some of theirs. The main reason given for this was that WOTC was in this to make money, now that they are out of it and we are into the vSets, I think this rule could easily go. You are talking some sense here Tony? Bill, Dean, Eric thoughts?
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R5Don4 wrote:tonythetoyman wrote:Since WOTC is no longer in involved, it would be great if they at least got rid of the rule saying you had to have a card for each one (this was unique rule to the mouse droid for some reason... normally one card would suffice). Then, people could make two from one for at least some of theirs. The main reason given for this was that WOTC was in this to make money, now that they are out of it and we are into the vSets, I think this rule could easily go. You are talking some sense here Tony? Bill, Dean, Eric thoughts? One additional factor is that the secondary market is STILL looking to make money. Personally, I don't think mouse droid sales alone would make a scratch in their profit margin, but what other ramifications would that rule change have?
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R5Don4 wrote:tonythetoyman wrote:Since WOTC is no longer in involved, it would be great if they at least got rid of the rule saying you had to have a card for each one (this was unique rule to the mouse droid for some reason... normally one card would suffice). Then, people could make two from one for at least some of theirs. The main reason given for this was that WOTC was in this to make money, now that they are out of it and we are into the vSets, I think this rule could easily go. You are talking some sense here Tony? Bill, Dean, Eric thoughts? Considering Dean wrote that rule for the customs... And really, at this point, I don't see them dropping, even if they were outright banned.
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It's the price of doing business. Either we make the few of you who don't have enough mice happy, or piss off every player (many more than those without mice complaining) who already bought their own. Not to mention, I'm about 99% sure Sithborg is correct, changing the rule now would not change the price of mice in the secondary market. CMG markets despite the constant confusion about this, are never large enough to be affected by "market principles" that most of us learned in Economics 101. Our secondary market is so small that changing the rule just for one figure, isn't going to change the prices of that figure anyway. People still want more mice, and there aren't more out there to be had, other than in IE boosters. It doesn't matter if you reduce the demand, because the supply is still much lower than even 1/2 the demand. Further more, if the price did drop, you simply piss off others. I suggest either following the custom rules already in place, or getting over the fact that there are some pieces in any collectible game that will cost more than others. That is a fact that never changes, no matter what you do.
In short, the bad consequences always will outweigh the good on this one.
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juice man wrote:engineer wrote:Mouse droids granting cover with their high Jedi like defense (IMO larger issue than any SA on the mouse) jak and I have been using this house rule form some time: Mouse Droids do not grant cover and do not count as the nearest enemy. They they may also be walked over(sometimes crushed) by other figs. Cannot stop in thier space. Interesting, so you've house rules that you can never attack them without accurate shot. That's pretty awful. You've actually managed to make them stronger.
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billiv15 wrote:juice man wrote:engineer wrote:Mouse droids granting cover with their high Jedi like defense (IMO larger issue than any SA on the mouse) jak and I have been using this house rule form some time: Mouse Droids do not grant cover and do not count as the nearest enemy. They they may also be walked over(sometimes crushed) by other figs. Cannot stop in thier space. Interesting, so you've house rules that you can never attack them without accurate shot. That's pretty awful. You've actually managed to make them stronger. Lol, I hadn't thought of it that way. Doesn't affect the adjacency rule when choosing targets, does it?
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billiv15 wrote:juice man wrote:engineer wrote:Mouse droids granting cover with their high Jedi like defense (IMO larger issue than any SA on the mouse) jak and I have been using this house rule form some time: Mouse Droids do not grant cover and do not count as the nearest enemy. They they may also be walked over(sometimes crushed) by other figs. Cannot stop in thier space. Interesting, so you've house rules that you can never attack them without accurate shot. That's pretty awful. You've actually managed to make them stronger. Not so. I believe swinefeld understood. When choosing targets, everyone may Accurate Shot around mice, if they choose. We still have the adjacency rule. (I think. When you can't use Mouse Droids as cheap, mobile, cover you tend to use only what is needed just to relay commands.)
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i have 2 and they do me fine, i mean they are great and id like about 4 more but the two i have are ok for me, to be honest i dont know how i got mine lol
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unless you plan to user the lobot/gha nacht combo I don't see the need for more than 4 or 5 mice and that is in a OR/Mando squad. So if you got a case of IE that is 2 and maybe traded for 1 that is 3 mice so maybe you need 1 or 2 more for very specific squads?
The price has come down and you can find them for $7-$8 on various sites. For the cost of 1-2 boosters it is far more economical to just plain buy the mice that you need and be done with it.
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For the first time in about 15 boosters I pulled a Mouse Droid. So excited to finally get another...
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I'd like to have a few more, but I guess 14 is enough. I just can't bring myself to pay 7-8 bucks on an Uncommon figure, and don't want to buy IE boosters since I have a complete set!
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lol do you supply mice for your whole group? Even with lobot/gha you should have more than enough at 14 to make any squad you could possibly think of.
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My group consists of 2 people, so if he wants any mice, he does borrow them, lol.
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urbanjedi wrote:lol do you supply mice for your whole group? Even with lobot/gha you should have more than enough at 14 to make any squad you could possibly think of.
Except an Uggie Boss swarm squad.
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swinefeld wrote:urbanjedi wrote:lol do you supply mice for your whole group? Even with lobot/gha you should have more than enough at 14 to make any squad you could possibly think of.
Except an Uggie Boss swarm squad. Uggie Boss + General Rieekan + 57 Uggnaught Demos = a very interesting squad. If need be; throw in a Repulser. Outactivate your oponent then move all your ugis adjcent to the enemy then repulse... :D
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billiv15 wrote:It's the price of doing business. Either we make the few of you who don't have enough mice happy, or piss off every player (many more than those without mice complaining) who already bought their own. Not to mention, I'm about 99% sure Sithborg is correct, changing the rule now would not change the price of mice in the secondary market. CMG markets despite the constant confusion about this, are never large enough to be affected by "market principles" that most of us learned in Economics 101. Our secondary market is so small that changing the rule just for one figure, isn't going to change the prices of that figure anyway. People still want more mice, and there aren't more out there to be had, other than in IE boosters. It doesn't matter if you reduce the demand, because the supply is still much lower than even 1/2 the demand. Further more, if the price did drop, you simply piss off others. I suggest either following the custom rules already in place, or getting over the fact that there are some pieces in any collectible game that will cost more than others. That is a fact that never changes, no matter what you do.
In short, the bad consequences always will outweigh the good on this one. You can never have enough Mouse Droids. We are not trying to make the secondary market price come down, but this unit is very valuble for game play in every faction. I really don't think anyone would complain if we made Mouse Droids more accessible, by allowing people to have the option to turn one mini into two. The rule every custom mini needs to be an SWM restricts players from using alternate lines for customs (clix, d&d, Monpoc, WEG, Knight Models, etc.) Also here is a crazy thought, what about including Mouse Droids as a reprint in a V-set so players can use whatever small based mini they have available?
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I feel an alternative to Mouse Droids and/or Uggie Demolitionists are a good idea. Just not the same, since you should allow those who spent the time to collect all of them to be okay.
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