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Cassus fett wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:AndyHatton wrote:It was still theatrically released... But it's also T-canon. Not that the levels of canon matter anymore... we're all about to get D-canoned and I don't think any of us will like it. Could you clarify? Star Wars canon is rated based on its source. G-canon is George Lucas canon - the 6 main movies. T-canon is Television canon. The theatrical release that kicked off the TV shows is considered part of T-canon E-canon is basically everything else I might have the letters wrong, though. I said D-canon as a joke - meaning Disney canon. I expect they will pay no heed whatsoever to T- or E-canon other than to probably bring in the major characters. I expect to see Mara and Jaina for example. I don't expect any of the stories we know to be held to, though. I wouldn't even expect them to stick to G-canon to be honest. I mean - they won't go out of their way to contradict it, but they'll bend it as they see fit.
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AndyHatton wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:Voren_Chalco wrote:As a single movie, AotC. Terrible dialogue with clunky delivery clinches it for me. In terms of the Star Wars saga, though, Phantom Menace can be left out with very little lost to the overall story. Finding Anakin and Palpatine becoming Supreme Chancellor are the only important bits of the entire movie and they're not exactly vital to Vader's backstory. That and it sets the timeline way off, especially for Obi-Wan. Living on Tatooine for 19 years apparently makes him age at double speed. The only way it throws off the timeline is because you think you're watching 8-year old Anakin and 17-year old Padme, which makes Episode II even more awkward than its dialogue. Then you find out Anakin was supposed to be 10 and Padme 14 in Episode I. Yeah who thought electing a 14 year old to be ruler of a planet was a good idea... Thanks Obama, haha. I have to say AOTC just because it took a while to get to the good parts i.e The Genosian Coliseum and all the jedi showing up then moving to the clones fighting thts what i was waiting for throughout the whole movie. Although the Ani and Zam chase was pretty cool 
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@FlyingArrow everything you say is true.... Sadly. I especially like the D-Canon joke
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Episode 2, whenever i watch it on DVD, i just skip through the beginning because it is so boring(except when Obi fights Jango, cause Jango is cool)
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Cassus fett wrote:AndyHatton wrote:Attack of the Clones. Upon re watching recently, the Phantom Menace is (in my opinion) underrated.
Attack of the Clones however has very few redeeming qualities. I watch ATOC like this, Skyline Chase, skip to Kamino watch untill Obi gets captured, Skip back to geonosis, watch a little bit then skip all the way to the Droid Factory and watch from there till the credits. Watched like this it's an okay film. :D Yes. The Phantom Menace is underrated. It just got hated by everyone because of Jar Jar and people expected it to be as good as the prequels. If the prequels were a can't miss great idea, Lucas would have done them 20 years ago. Any Movie would have been viewed as bad. It could never have lived up to the hype.
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Well, I'm glad nobody said Empire, cause I would have reached through the internet and strangled them at their computer. if there ever is such a thing as a perfect movie... The Empire Strikes Back is it.
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I can't believe anyone chose ROTJ or a new hope. Did they not see AOTC?
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Robobob wrote:Well, I'm glad nobody said Empire, cause I would have reached through the internet and strangled them at their computer. if there ever is such a thing as a perfect movie... The Empire Strikes Back is it. ^+1 i'll bring a bat
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Cassus fett wrote:Robobob wrote:Well, I'm glad nobody said Empire, cause I would have reached through the internet and strangled them at their computer. if there ever is such a thing as a perfect movie... The Empire Strikes Back is it. ^+1 i'll bring a bat Ill bring my pokemon
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Of the 6, I'd say number 2. But the entire prequel trilogy is very different from the original trilogy. My bet is that Lucas waited to long to start making them and lost the thought out direction we was going for with the original trilogy, thus we ended up with comedy and romance just thrown in.
Reasons why I dislike 2 the most;
Painful romance subplot that feels really tacked on.
Comedy scenes thrown in at apparently random, ruining the story pacing.
Very whiny Anakin that doesn't match or come close Darth Vader's personality in 4-6.
Darth Vader is cold and orderly, he's in control of himself and thinks things through; Anakin is highly emotional and chaotic, lacks self control and lives on impulses with little thought put into it. What I expected was a story of a cold and calculating Anakin that seeks power and how he achieves it well eventually falling to the Dark Side, what we got was a massive disappointment.
My list of most liked to least;
1. Empire Strikes back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Attack of the Clones
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VATAV wrote:
Darth Vader is cold and orderly, he's in control of himself and thinks things through; Anakin is highly emotional and chaotic, lacks self control and lives on impulses with little thought put into it. What I expected was a story of a cold and calculating Anakin that seeks power and how he achieves it well eventually falling to the Dark Side, what we got was a massive disappointment.
but his emotional feelings is what drove him to the Darkside. i do agree that he was whiney in AOTC. but he was more of the Anakin i was hoping for in ROTS
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Like father like son. Luke is extremely whiny in A New Hope.
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darthbinks1 wrote:Like father like son. Luke is extremely whiny in A New Hope. +99999999999999999999999.9999999999999999
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CorranHornsux123 wrote:
but his emotional feelings is what drove him to the Darkside. i do agree that he was whiney in AOTC. but he was more of the Anakin i was hoping for in ROTS
I can agree that ROTS Anakin was a bit of an improvement, just feel hunger for power instead of emotional instability is a better fit for how original trilogy Vader fell to the Dark side. But Lucas is the one that made the series so what he decides is canon :P. Edit; darthbinks1 wrote:Like father like son. Luke is extremely whiny in A New Hope. Yes he started out whiny, but he matured through out A New Hope. Anakin didn't seem to mature at all during the entire prequal trilogy. Instead of seeing how he turns into what Vader is in the original trilogy, we see up to the event that most likely caused him to change into Vader later. ROTS ends with an uncontrolled emotional wreck of a character who lost everything, ANH begins with a cold and orderly ruthless character working towards his goals. It the dissonance between the two that really bugs me.
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VATAV wrote:CorranHornsux123 wrote:
but his emotional feelings is what drove him to the Darkside. i do agree that he was whiney in AOTC. but he was more of the Anakin i was hoping for in ROTS
I can agree that ROTS Anakin was a bit of an improvement, just feel hunger for power instead of emotional instability is a better fit for how original trilogy Vader fell to the Dark side. But Lucas is the one that made the series so what he decides is canon :P. what Disney decides is cannon now that means well have mouse droids with big round ears for a new mini sculpt XD
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CorranHornsux123 wrote:
what Disney decides is cannon now that means well have mouse droids with big round ears for a new mini sculpt XD
Going to be honest, I lost any hope for the series after AOTC. If Disney improves the series to its former glory, then great! If they don't, at least I got Darth and Droids to look forward to  .
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VATAV wrote:ROTS ends with an uncontrolled emotional wreck of a character who lost everything,
ANH begins with a cold and orderly ruthless character working towards his goals. It the dissonance between the two that really bugs me. I wholeheartedly disagree. That is a central part of Anakin's journey: his emotions and hot-headedness lost him his wife, his Order, his friends, and most of his body. I have always seen it as Anakin either choosing to cut off most emotions or doing it subconsciously.
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VATAV wrote:CorranHornsux123 wrote:
what Disney decides is cannon now that means well have mouse droids with big round ears for a new mini sculpt XD
Going to be honest, I lost any hope for the series after AOTC. I thought ROTS was quite good, actually. Quote:If they don't, at least I got Darth and Droids to look forward to . Started out good but the "this is an RPG campaign" humor got dropped for character humor and it lost most of its appeal to me.
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corranhorn wrote:
I wholeheartedly disagree. That is a central part of Anakin's journey: his emotions and hot-headedness lost him his wife, his Order, his friends, and most of his body. I have always seen it as Anakin either choosing to cut off most emotions or doing it subconsciously.
I can agree to that, just annoyed that we don't get to SEE the change at all. The Tragic Hero is a classic story, if only considering the first 3 movies it fits quite well. Just feel it wasn't necessary to go with that story route tho in regards when including the original trilogy. But it is what it is, can't change it at all.
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VATAV wrote:corranhorn wrote:
I wholeheartedly disagree. That is a central part of Anakin's journey: his emotions and hot-headedness lost him his wife, his Order, his friends, and most of his body. I have always seen it as Anakin either choosing to cut off most emotions or doing it subconsciously.
I can agree to that, just annoyed that we don't get to SEE the change at all. We saw what happened as a result of his foolishness, and we saw hat he became. I'm not sure what else we could really see, although I'm pretty sure I'm misreading you somehow.
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