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Game 2 of pego's play report is up!
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I'm pretty sure we have more pictures, but it's hard to say it was crazy hectic for both of us during the tournament. But a lot of fun.
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jak wrote:DARPH NADER wrote:So after reading subsequent posts from those who were there in the flesh, if scruffy's post was indeed tongue & cheek then I retract my earlier statements. not me, he's been a 8===D on more than 1 occasion What an imaginative smiley face 
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Could I please have a breakdown of the finishers 5 through 8? For my regional records graph.
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crap.... ummm 5th should have been seperatists. 6th should have been the republic mace squad 7th and 8th hmmm, i know the squads were 100 yoda and mace and 100 point sidious and scourge vader, ran by our newest members of the tn play group but not sure in what order they finished.
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Deaths_Baine wrote:crap.... ummm 5th should have been seperatists. 6th should have been the republic mace squad 7th and 8th hmmm, i know the squads were 100 yoda and mace and 100 point sidious and scourge vader, ran by our newest members of the tn play group but not sure in what order they finished. NEWEST members...?  
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I believe Craig Cook finished 6th with his Republic Mace build
7th was Brendon Conaster with 100pt Yoda, and Mace (Gerry I gave him your build)
8th was Mike Davis with 100pt Sid, and Scourge Vader
The three that dropped ran Rebels and 2 NR squads. One ran Rebel Ewoks with Golden One, Luke HoE, Chewie in ATST, Versatile Han & Leia, the NR squads one was 100pt Luke and friends, and the other was Luke Galactic Hero, Jacen and Jaina, Leia Skywalker, and Han Versatile, with Dodonna and Ganner.
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FlyingArrow wrote:
You are correct about that. But if you're setting off your own bombs, there is some balance in that. You are using up a turn to do it, and losing a character when it happens. Basically, when you set off your own bomb, it's like an attack that automatically hits at the cost of losing the character. Sure it hurts to take the damage, but the enemy is supposed to be able to deal damage on their turn.
The real pain (to me) is that with the Klat Assassin, in many cases (if you're on the right map and don't have one of the 'ignore cover' counters) it is actually impossible to kill them without taking damage. In the mean time, they can ping you with a decently high attack.
bomb squads always have ways to help finish off the big pieces. Ya, Klat Assassins are ridiculous, whoever made them is to blame really. Making them 12 points is crazy. Scruffy was telling me that Talon Karrde was supposed to have straight up ysalamiri as well. he way I see it Klat Assassins should cost 16 or lose jedi hatred. Cloaked is too powerful mixed with self destruct
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greatest play report ever by scruffy han.  perhaps the greatest regional location ever?? booze, outdoors, grilling, and booze?? i'm in.
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Game 3 of pego's report is up.
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jen'ari wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:
You are correct about that. But if you're setting off your own bombs, there is some balance in that. You are using up a turn to do it, and losing a character when it happens. Basically, when you set off your own bomb, it's like an attack that automatically hits at the cost of losing the character. Sure it hurts to take the damage, but the enemy is supposed to be able to deal damage on their turn.
The real pain (to me) is that with the Klat Assassin, in many cases (if you're on the right map and don't have one of the 'ignore cover' counters) it is actually impossible to kill them without taking damage. In the mean time, they can ping you with a decently high attack.
bomb squads always have ways to help finish off the big pieces. Ya, Klat Assassins are ridiculous, whoever made them is to blame really. Making them 12 points is crazy. Scruffy was telling me that Talon Karrde was supposed to have straight up ysalamiri as well. he way I see it Klat Assassins should cost 16 or lose jedi hatred. Cloaked is too powerful mixed with self destruct After reading the play reports and learning different counters to the Klats I don't think it is as powerful any more. You have rebel leia, new republic borsk, republic ordo and rolling cleave, and the sith have the gloom snipers on top of caedus (if you can target talon you should be able to get a klat or two to move adjacent to him). Heck, you could even just pick a map with less green squares. Although you would still have to win map roll. The Klats bring a new dynamic to the game. I know the reasons it is hard to play against it. I have play tested against it my self. You are going to have a different strategy then anything else you face, but in reading the play reports at least two of the games went down to the wire. So we know that it isn't unbeatable, but it may shake up the meta some. Personally anything that is going to give daila fits I am happy to sin in the pool. I am just going to hope I don't play against it. 😉
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atmsalad wrote:jen'ari wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:
You are correct about that. But if you're setting off your own bombs, there is some balance in that. You are using up a turn to do it, and losing a character when it happens. Basically, when you set off your own bomb, it's like an attack that automatically hits at the cost of losing the character. Sure it hurts to take the damage, but the enemy is supposed to be able to deal damage on their turn.
The real pain (to me) is that with the Klat Assassin, in many cases (if you're on the right map and don't have one of the 'ignore cover' counters) it is actually impossible to kill them without taking damage. In the mean time, they can ping you with a decently high attack.
bomb squads always have ways to help finish off the big pieces. Ya, Klat Assassins are ridiculous, whoever made them is to blame really. Making them 12 points is crazy. Scruffy was telling me that Talon Karrde was supposed to have straight up ysalamiri as well. he way I see it Klat Assassins should cost 16 or lose jedi hatred. Cloaked is too powerful mixed with self destruct After reading the play reports and learning different counters to the Klats I don't think it is as powerful any more. You have rebel leia, new republic borsk, republic ordo and rolling cleave, and the sith have the gloom snipers on top of caedus (if you can target talon you should be able to get a klat or two to move adjacent to him). Heck, you could even just pick a map with less green squares. Although you would still have to win map roll. The Klats bring a new dynamic to the game. I know the reasons it is hard to play against it. I have play tested against it my self. You are going to have a different strategy then anything else you face, but in reading the play reports at least two of the games went down to the wire. So we know that it isn't unbeatable, but it may shake up the meta some. Personally anything that is going to give daila fits I am happy to sin in the pool. I am just going to hope I don't play against it. 😉 well... Caedus wont be moving anyone due to ysalamari, so you can toss that out. But i agree that the sqaud is certainly not broken. It is a pain sure, but it won't require erratas like daala to be beatable and i think that is the key. Daala, absolutely had to be changed to be where they should be, klats are strong, but don't think they need erratas, the issue i have with them is from a design standpoint. The fringe faction will have to be carefully designed from this point on because fringe sqauds are clearly top tier, seeing as how 2 completely different talon fringe squads have now won regionals.
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Yep, that was an over sight, lol. Good point about carefully designing. It will be interesting what happens from this point on. I think gencon is going to show us a lot. What's really top tier and what can't hack it. The regionals can give us a feel, but all the stops aren't pulled out until Gencon. I think there are several top tier squads that haven't even been to a regional yet this year. That's my opinion though.
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Deaths_Baine wrote:i think its funny that everyone is still bashing on this poor scruffyhan guy even after pegolego, who played in the tournament commented that this must be a joke considering how nice the guy was in real life, geeze, it was a play report that is clearly for fun. I mean for crying out loud pego said the guy gave him tips during their match, and even deathwielded said he played the dude on vassal and he wasn't a jerk there either. some people must just be jealous that scruffy keeps winning and backing up his legitimate complaints about some of the v-set pieces. Yeah, reading the posts of those who were there, it looks like he is just trying to add some levity to the thread. (Or maybe he's trolling, I don't know.) Without ever meeting or interacting with him, these posts and previous ones remind me of the host of the Discovery Channel's show 'Fast N' Loud', Richard Rawlings. I love that show, and if that assessment is correct, I'd be inclined to like the guy. To your point that by winning he backs up his 'legitimate complaints about some of the vset pieces' that doesn't back up anything at all. I would be interested...and I hope past and future designers as well...in hearing him voice his complaints in a seperate thread. I might add that the humor expressed in this thread would not be appropriate in that one. I point to the NZ guys expressing concern over Daala. Their posts were to the point and supported by game results. People took them seriously and they were a great help in adjusting Daala. If he does have legitimate complaints I hope people can look at them with the same seriousness as they took in looking at what the NZ guys posted.
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pego's play report is complete!
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Darth_Jim wrote:Deaths_Baine wrote:i think its funny that everyone is still bashing on this poor scruffyhan guy even after pegolego, who played in the tournament commented that this must be a joke considering how nice the guy was in real life, geeze, it was a play report that is clearly for fun. I mean for crying out loud pego said the guy gave him tips during their match, and even deathwielded said he played the dude on vassal and he wasn't a jerk there either. some people must just be jealous that scruffy keeps winning and backing up his legitimate complaints about some of the v-set pieces. Yeah, reading the posts of those who were there, it looks like he is just trying to add some levity to the thread. (Or maybe he's trolling, I don't know.) Without ever meeting or interacting with him, these posts and previous ones remind me of the host of the Discovery Channel's show 'Fast N' Loud', Richard Rawlings. I love that show, and if that assessment is correct, I'd be inclined to like the guy. To your point that by winning he backs up his 'legitimate complaints about some of the vset pieces' that doesn't back up anything at all. I would be interested...and I hope past and future designers as well...in hearing him voice his complaints in a seperate thread. I might add that the humor expressed in this thread would not be appropriate in that one. I point to the NZ guys expressing concern over Daala. Their posts were to the point and supported by game results. People took them seriously and they were a great help in adjusting Daala. If he does have legitimate complaints I hope people can look at them with the same seriousness as they took in looking at what the NZ guys posted. Well, I can't speak for scruffyhan, but what I can say that after watching the tournament is this: 1. the squad he ran takes absolutely no skill to run. you just stand in green squares and roll dice... literally it is that easy. 2. Zam wessel and talon only declared attacks or used missiles in 2 out of 5 games one of which he lost, so 3 games that he won were with only using the klats to deal damage. 3. The game against pego that he lost would have been completely different if 2 things happened one, Scruffy did not let pego change his mind about what side of the map he wanted and if scruffy had brought in 2 twi'lek bodyguards it would have been a different game that he may not have even lost. The biggest problem with the klats that I could see is the ridiculous base 12 attack... that is so crazy. I believe the entire tournament they missed one attack and that was on ulic who was rocking a 31 defense in cover. I would love to see other people address this seriously as well and see other people run this squad in their respective metas. Maybe it was just a good call for the TN regional, but I doubt it. If some of the top players run this squad I believe you will continue to see it win and win fairly easily.
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Deaths_Baine wrote:
3. The game against pego that he lost would have been completely different if 2 things happened one, Scruffy did not let pego change his mind about what side of the map he wanted and if scruffy had brought in 2 twi'lek bodyguards it would have been a different game that he may not have even lost.
While I do appreciate the allowance of me changing my mind before we setup, it was a game I should have won either way. Yes, there are more green squares on that map, so it makes Zam's job with missiles a bit easier, but in the end my strategy remains the same; charge in and trade 20 damage for a dead Klat. And I probably keep the Super Stealth in that case (the Treadwells would make easy targets with everything Cloaked), which goes ahead and negates Zam's added effectiveness. I can see how it may have changed things, but I still SHOULD win the matchup. Of course, I probably should have won my semi-final too lol. What would the Twi'leks have helped more than the Human bodyguard?
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pegolego wrote:Deaths_Baine wrote:
3. The game against pego that he lost would have been completely different if 2 things happened one, Scruffy did not let pego change his mind about what side of the map he wanted and if scruffy had brought in 2 twi'lek bodyguards it would have been a different game that he may not have even lost.
While I do appreciate the allowance of me changing my mind before we setup, it was a game I should have won either way. Yes, there are more green squares on that map, so it makes Zam's job with missiles a bit easier, but in the end my strategy remains the same; charge in and trade 20 damage for a dead Klat. And I probably keep the Super Stealth in that case (the Treadwells would make easy targets with everything Cloaked), which goes ahead and negates Zam's added effectiveness. I can see how it may have changed things, but I still SHOULD win the matchup. Of course, I probably should have won my semi-final too lol. What would the Twi'leks have helped more than the Human bodyguard? the human bodyguard is in the base squad, so the twi'leks would be extra. What the twi'leks would allow is an extra turn to position. instead of you being able to charge in and just kill the klat and only take 20 you would have to spend an extra round killing the bodyguards allowing scruffy the chance to move and attack and do 30 damage before the klat dies. I am not saying that scruffy would win the match up 100% I am saying that it would definitely be a closer game with those 2 changes.
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