..... I really hope this is a joke....

Oh! and this other special ability helps Baze move up into the action.
It's something playtests suggested would help him set up for a Furious Assault.
Thematically, It represents Baze after Chirrut's death as he advances towards a squad of Death Troopers.

So far . . .

More to come...

Actually, I never said his attack was +6.

So far . . .

More to come...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odLQUMdvjIg

Here is a great look at Baze's weapon.

Now I appreciate all the work that went into this piece and I feel like the stat block is fun.

BUT, like all my other complaints, it is simply not Baze....

I swear we need to make a committee that is a subsection of the design committee (I will join it) that just deals with if the stat blocks fits a person's abilities, traits, personality, etc.


Base 10 atk???? the guy's weapon killed everyone in one friggin shot... its super powerful
atk 8???? the guy hit everyone he shot at. This is nuts, sure sure he can get boosts and whatever but the integrity of the character is being deminished.

Baze has simply the best shooting feats in Star Wars. If Cassian does more damage than Baze per shot than we have a real problem. Cassian did not show very much actual fighting skill in the whole movie. (I haven't really looked into any other information except from the movie)

So Force attuned Armor, ok cool

Furious Assault.... Move 12 squares and attack everyone? why? Baze hardly moved, the guy is big and cumbersome and old, carrying a huge gun that is attached to his back and wears armor, he is not really going anywhere....

In fact the first time he shoots to "save" Imwe he was not moving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOYbg7lMOOc

the second time he shoots (to save Jyn) he is not moving (cant find the clip).

the last time he shoots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK1rMj_sWS8

he is walking slowly using his "shotgun" to really put on the damage.
by the way he doesnt miss after being shot multiple times.


So I do not understand the Moving and shooting.

Impulsive advance.... Once again I can see where it is coming from, but it just doesn't fit. There was nothing really impulsive about his advance. He did his whole "the force is with me, I am one with the force" rant and CHOSE to go out there all terminator style.


Protective on a shooter? I never quite understood that either. Yep, I will umm pull this trigger real hard this time and get that extra damage I need...

Looks like he is going to have 10 abilities.... umm... ok

Single Shot blaster? with Furious Assault? It kind of makes no sense... How can a guy shoot 20 people in a turn and not have the ability to shoot someone more than once?
I guess it does make some sense in the fact that Baze never had to shoot people more than once, once was enough.. because he always hit (8 attack) and always dealt enough damage (10 dam).
but if we do not start with 10 base damage, do we have to worry about twin?

I hope he has Sniper since he definitely can shoot around people ("you almost shot me" -- "you're welcome")

I do not quite understand how we go from what we see of Baze on screen to what we get in design.

I like the stat block, it is just not Baze Malbus. pretty much in any regard..
The things I can see that are Baze are:

Unique (got this right)
synergy +2
Force-attuned armor
Def 16

other than that i see someone else.

I wonder what his last abilities are

Hey Jen, I thought I would check out your Baze for some future inspiration.

Baze Malbus, Rogue 41
Hit Points: 110
Defense: 18
Attack: 13
Damage: 20
Special Abilities
Unique
-Moving Fire (if this character moves once on its turn it gains +10 damage.)
-Ambush (This character can move and then make all his attacks against 1 enemy who has not activated this round)
-Triple Attack (On his turn, this character can make 2 extra attacks instead of moving)
-Master Shot (Usable only on this character's turn; If it does not move, this character ignores the Evade special ability while making attacks, and can attack an enemy with cover even if it's not the nearest target)
-You're Welcome (Once per turn, when an enemy, that is adjacent to an ally whose name contains Chirrut Imwe, declares an attack this character can make an immediate attack against that attacker. If this character's attack damages the attacker that attack is cancelled.)
Force Powers
Force 1
-Blaster Barrage (Force 1, replaces attacks: Can attack every legal target once)

So let me get this straight, you do not get him moving and shooting... But you gave triple with ambush and blaster barrage. I am really confused, doesnt he move when he uses those? Also, you are saying he wasnt a mobile shooter, but you gave him a damage boost for when he moves that could be used in conjunction with blaster barrage and ambush? The hell...

Now with other synergies your character can do 120 damage... thats a lot for a guy that only killed some storm trooper(10 hitpoints) and death troopers(elite troopers, but all the ones in the movie died...). Low atk? How good does his atk have to be to hit some crappy storm troopers... lol

Okay, I dont really even know what to say about the new ability "Your Welcome". Crazy anti Jedi and melee, incredibly overpowered... The power creep is strong with this one.

At 41 points I would hope the other Rogue one characters would cost a ton less, otherwise your going to struggle to fit them all in one squad.

Dont get me wrong, I like your design, Its just not Baze Malbus

hahaha this is a CCC design Atmsalad, made very very quickly.

this was after watching the film one time and a month had passed since I watched it. Don't try to pull up something like this. This is Baze Malbus from memory, not from research. This is before information comes out, this is before research.

I remembered things differently. I thought he moved forward while shooting, hence the one movement bonus. I thought blaster barrage was a cool fit, I thought giving him a force point worked....

I thought lots of things for my design, this is the first draft from memory.

Look atmsalad this is a weak, very weak attempt at belittling my points made in my post.

I despise your two face attitude and I despise your attempts to always "even the odds"

I was wrong about my depiction of Baze. After watching the movie another couple of times and doing research on him (because I love Star Wars) I do not think he should have a force point. I do not think he should have Ambush. Rolling fire is a maybe and "you're Welcome" needs cleaning up. Master shot is great on him.

Your attempt to bring up my CCC made in like 10 minutes with no research and based off of memory is laughable. Your constant attempts to "protect" designers and the game while contasntly bashing behind the scenes are snake like and venomous.

Just sit this one out. Baze's depiction, thus far, sucks. the stat line looks like a lot of fun, it is just not Baze.

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/27882/baze-malbus

That would be my first draft after some research and thought into Baze Malbus.

made in five minutes

Why does everything have to be a flame war?

@Jen'ari I was pointing out the fact that your design of the character was the opposite of what you were saying. I personally value game balance and functionality over flavor. I don't necessarily want a rogue one squad to be tier 1, but I want to be able play it and have a chance against other things. Furious Assault gives the rogues a great scissors option that I am not sure they could get from anyone else. Predictable targets may have been more close to flavor, but its a weaker form of furious. He can also get greater mobile so easily, I am not sure you could give him triple or quad without serious consequences.

I tend to be more straight forward about my opinion these days. The father, C3PO and even found a new one this weekend. I saw a piece played for the first time this weekend and Im pretty sure I annoyed most of the people there with my comments. Presently I am working on 3 posts regarding different issues. For me, balancing the game, keeping the power ceiling where it is and flavor are important, but in that order.

Most designers know how I feel about their pieces. Im sure I have even soured some friendships because of my willingness to voice my opinion. The fact is I dont play this game because it is Star Wars. I do not go to 3 regionals, if not more, and gencon each year because its star wars. The strategy of the game and the friends I have made playing it is why I have stayed.

Nothing wrong with having our own perspectives on fictional characters.
Out of all the Vaders, Lord Vader is the most Vader-like to me and Darth Vader, Imperial Commander is the least Vader-looking. Vader of Lothal with Speed 8 and Rival with Commanders doesn't seem like Vader to me.
However, if I went to a tournament, I'd play Vader of Lothal and never look back.

V-Set characters are the product of a design team and community volunteers.
We care about flavor, gameplay, and listening to what players want. So our finished characters may not look like you personally think they should. I truly am sorry if you were disappointed with our Baze Malbus design.

However, if you're outraged by the design's flavor then I suggest checking this out at your local Walgreens.
I don't mean that maliciously, you may be suffering from a real condition and this could do you wonders.

It's interesting that Baze not moving fast and shooting should be mentioned.
Our initial designs for Baze had him at Speed 4.
He was carrying a big gun and wearing armor and not very fast.
However, our playtesters said it was too restrictive and limited his use.
Plenty of other characters in our game have armor/ big guns and are not limited like that.
So we decided to listen to our playtesters and let him Furious Assault at regular speed.

Han Solo ST Armor is 25pts and 80 hitpoints.
Baze has more abilities and damage soaking Force Attuned Armor.
So at 32pts and 60 hitpoints, Baze could be stouter and more versatile.

However, when looking at price-points for squadbuilding in multiple Rebel builds . . . Baze at 30pts or higher made him really difficult to fit into Rebel squads. So we kept him at 25pts.

Playtesters felt he needed to be beefier and harder to take down. So we put his hitpoints at 80hp and it worked well. However, several community members felt Baze could do even better.
So we got . . .