Sorry, bad mood earlier and just took that post by Dime completely wrong. Back into the conversation we go :)



Actually, at one point I was looking for R2PO GA to have some kind of representation of the fact that all they did throughout the NR was baby sit the twins. I had a flavor text that was something like, "R2 - 'Bleep, bleep, whirl...' C3PO - 'Yes Artoo, Babysitting again. Tis our lot in life... Sigh'. :)

Back to the question about the Luck idea. I agree with Dread, the Luck Points idea is one I had long ago, and did consider adding it to the game. But it was unnecessary and added a level of complication that the game doesn't really need. (Any new Special Ability or force power is an additional level of complication). Further, I wasn't convinced it would really be different enough to merit a new system (which is the critical question about adding it, not flavor). Flavor additions only really come into play when there is literally nothing that fits. When we have a pretty close approximation we will almost always use it.

Now, perhaps I misspoke a bit calling it "luck". It wasn't completely luck, it was also skill. Let me quote from Wookieepedia (and please not reliability of wookiee comments).

Onasi was a dedicated soldier and a cunning tactician, able to efficiently and expertly handle a variety of weapons, but blaster pistols were his specialty. He was a quick draw, and also skilled in dual weapon fighting.[2]

Trask Ulgo described Onasi as "one of the Republic's best pilots."[16] During his travels with Revan, Onasi proved his skill in flying when he flew the Ebon Hawk across the galaxy.

This is just from the "Abilities" section, but it's a nice short summary. If you look at the original carth, you will see that he already has all of this (there's a line about his mechanical skill later on). So I wanted to do something different with him, without removing the flavor of what he did best. So instead of doing the same old same old "double twin GMA" which fits him by the way, I went with a combination. He has twin and cunning, can get extra attack from the Exile and benefits from Soldier and Pilot CEs. Then I had a choice, stick with intution (cost in the upper 30s or low 40s) limited intution via SM and 2 FPS, or make up some new way to represent his knack for getting out of tough spots. Since this was the "pilot" set, it made sense to try to represent him as the Pilot of the Ebon Hawk. As that character, he repeatedly got out of tough spots just in the knick of time, and had a knack for surprise.

So in short, he represents almost every critical flavor of Carth in this part of his story. Sure, the FPs are an abstraction, but for game play purposes he works perfectly - and I mean perfectly. And when you get a character to work and play exactly how you wanted it to, with the right cost, you don't go changing it. I considered a version of everything posted so far and much preferred this version. As for gambler's luck, not the right ability, and not the character I was trying to represent in this set. BTW, it's totally canon to say in Star Wars that the best Star Pilots have "force like reactions". It's not a short leap to suggest that they might be using the force latently to do so. Actually, it's one of the most commonly said things in Star Wars lol.

I have something to say about all of this........ Let it go.
They obviously put a lot of testing into this and of course this was the best way to go with Carth. Should he have force points probably not, but WHO CARES? should Han solo have force points no, but does he? yes. They gave him force points and surprise move as a way to keep him as a mid cost shooter. They could of created a whole new system such as luck points or whatever but why? why do it, because you do not want someone to have force points? The way they used force points in this case was completely acceptable and accomplished what they set out to do, make a fun, good mid cost shooter.

This a community game man, so I think you should have to finish this up by anyone that wants to comment.
Anyways, just because you feel like giving him force points was the easy thing to do does not make it the easy thing to do, it just makes the most sense. Why create a new system that you will have to make sure works with everything else, and doesn't unbalance this, or that when there is already a system that is set up to accomplish what you want to accomplish in other words, Why fix what isn't broken?

I think its quite fair to say that Force Points represent additional skill/luck in this game already, not just in the characters we've talked about, but on all characters that have them or can get them. Force Powers are really the abstraction of using the force. Think about it. When you reroll a missed attack, you are not really using any kind of force power at all from the RPG. You are simply upping your odds of hitting the attack. I'd say move faster is close to an actual force power, but even that can be up for debate I think. When a jedi uses a Force point to reroll, is he really using the force to do it, or is he/she simply showing additional skill? When an ugnaught uses a force point from Holo Sid to move 2 extra squares to blow a door, is he really using the force, or is he simply using extra skill gained from Palpatine's influence? Point is, force points are different than force powers. And in the case of surprise move, it's just a more limited intuition, not really a force power at all.

Which can easily lead to baiting and other CoC violations. There are already some posts that are extemely close. Debate is always good, but not if it degenerates. I will be keeping on eye on the thread, and I would hate to have lock itt.

To address Force points as luck/skill points why not just add in a new SA "Luck Points"(This character does not count as having a force rating for SAs or CE). Then the only biggest odd interaction would probably be light tutor which counts the character as having a force rating.

Things like Force Absorb/no rerolling again Force immunity would still apply but to me those are far more minor issues than Jedi Hunter/Force User CEs.

I meant for future characters that you want the Force points not really working like force points. WOTC certainly changed things up whenever they added new powers (adding Species/Pilot/Trooper, etc. being prime examples). Just a thought for future reference.

I think your question has been answered.

If you don't like the way a few figures turned out from R&R, why not get involved and help playtest for set 3 rather than lobbing rocks in from the outside.

And you'll get cool spoilers before anyone else gets them :D

Answered there I believe