I've tried it before, both locally and on Vassal. It works well but I don't think it would do well at a regional. Well, at least not for me, someone else may be able to run it well. I always seem to have trouble keeping Rex alive.

I've played Flobi/Gen Sky/Mace before. It failed against Malak/Zannah/Bandon.

It was:
Flobi
Mace
Skywalker
R2
Mas
Rodian Diplomat

In the first round I towed Mace up and actually managed to get 4 attacks on Malak. My mistake was not spending an FP to reroll a normal hit. DARN HIM AND HIS 130 HITPOINTS!!!!!! I think I should use the same squad another time and hope that I get lucky and win in two rounds.

Lol. I think he can probably be considered that now. My question is now, do we think he is tier 1 on his own, or does he need GOWK with him?

I think that he is tier 1 on his own, but can be brought up to tier -1 or -2 with others, like GOWK, Gen. Sky, the Chagrian Merc commander, etc.
Also, you forgot about Flobi.

Ha! Still considering my Rohm Mohc squad for our next biggie...

This was something that TinT and I were discussing on the way home yesterday and we came to the conclusion that he does need GOWK to be Tier 1. Paired with GOWK, a Mace squad can win in almost any match up, and arguably I'd say he can win against competitive squad. Yes, the squad has it's awful match ups, but it doesn't have an auto-loss.

Is Yoda on Kybuck tier 1 without General Skywalker and Doombot? Is Captain Panaka of Theed Tier 1 without the Naboo Troopers and Naboo Pilots? Are the Naboo Troopers and Naboo Pilots tier 1 without Captain Panaka of Theed? Is there any piece that doesn't need synergy to be tier 1? Thrawn and Bastila are two of the few that come to mind since they work with anyone.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me to look at the GenCon winning squad (where another version of it was also in the top 8) and say the the main piece in the squad is not tier 1... unless you want to say that there are no tier 1 pieces at all. Only tier 1 squads.

Yep! He's a great piece on his own and can fit into lots of tier 1 squads. Doombot helps him out quite a bit, but if Doombot didn't exist you could still easily make a tier 1 Yobuck squad; same is true of Skywalker.



That's a commander you're talking about, so of course not. Weir would suck if Storm Commandos didn't exist, Thrawn would suck if Imperials had no pieces that could swap, and Mas Amedda would suck if he were in a faction that had no ranged CEs. You can't really compare a stand alone character like Mace to a commander, because for a commander to be good it is absolutely necessary that they have good pieces to command, while that's just not true of a follower.



Nope, but that was a very intentionally designed synergy. They were designed together to be played together. It's completely unreasonable to play Naboo Troopers or Pilots without Panaka in a competitive squad, but it is reasonable to place Mace without GOWK in a competitive squad.



Like I said, Yobuck is actually a great example of a piece like this. There are obviously synergies for him that make him even better, but he doesn't require them to be good and worth his cost on his own. Another good example from a couple years ago was Kyle Katarn JBM. He's not nearly as good anymore, but there was a time when he alone was a tier 1 piece and was tier 1 in pretty much any squad you put him in, regardless of support and synergy. Of course, if you paired him with crap they could pull him down to make the squad not tier 1, but the piece itself was.



If it doesn't make sense to you, that's fine I guess, we just have different ways to look at pieces. My main point is that a piece being in a tier 1 squad does not make THAT piece tier 1. It's not automatic like that. Mace is strong, and when paired with other even stronger pieces you can make a strong squad. Mace isn't even necessarily the "main piece" of the squad; what would it be without GOWK? Well, it would probably be the General Skywalker version, which I think is strictly inferior and tier 1.5 (and has done much more poorly in competitive tournaments). So it being the GOWK version is what pushed it to tier 1 in my mind; doesn't that make GOWK a tier 1 piece and Mace a tier 1.5 piece?

No question that Rex was and is the difference maker. That one piece forced me to hide and mobile my troopers until I reached a point in the semi-final against Trev; wherein I had no choice but to force the issue, if I had any chance to win with the Naboo. I think we do get a bit bogged down with the "tier" label but IMO Critdu is exposed w/o GOWK and a shooter like Rex to back him up.

Lastly three 's and three cheers to the champ on a masterfully constructed and executed 2012 squad that saw its roots begin at FrostyCon and evolve into the eventual current championship form!