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TheHutts
Posted: Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:14:59 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
I was happy another Separatist Council member made the list.

Now if only there were more Jedi Council members made . . .


Does this imply Jedi council members that we don't have already. If so, these are all possibilities:
Yaddle
Oppo Rancisis
Adi Gallia
Yarrel Poof
Coleman Kcaj
CorranHornsux123
Posted: Sunday, November 3, 2013 7:05:13 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
I was happy another Separatist Council member made the list.

Now if only there were more Jedi Council members made . . .


Does this imply Jedi council members that we don't have already. If so, these are all possibilities:
Yaddle
Oppo Rancisis
Adi Gallia
Yarrel Poof
Coleman Kcaj


im still waiting for Master Vrook and Master Zez-Kai Ell from KOTOR 2
The Celestial Warrior
Posted: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:35:31 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
I was happy another Separatist Council member made the list.

Now if only there were more Jedi Council members made . . .


Does this imply Jedi council members that we don't have already. If so, these are all possibilities:
Yaddle
Oppo Rancisis
Adi Gallia
Yarrel Poof
Coleman Kcaj


Coleman Trebor was a Set 5 masterpiece. One of the better tech pieces from that set.
TheHutts
Posted: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:42:18 PM
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The Celestial Warrior wrote:
Coleman Trebor was a Set 5 masterpiece. One of the better tech pieces from that set.


There were two Colemans during the last few years of the Jedi Council, apparently. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coleman_Kcaj

There's not much info on him, except that he was at Geonosis.
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:40:54 PM
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Chargers wrote:
Not able to join us at GameHoleCon for some minis playtime and the first FULL STAT previews for the next v-set?

Then you better listen to our next show ...


Check out Star Wars Miniverse! http://www.swminiverse.com/SW_Miniverse/Welcome.html

Be on the lookout for episode 78, coming soon!
TheHutts
Posted: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:48:12 PM
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Two spoilers on SHNN last night:

#7 Alema Rar (Sith)
RM: Clone Strike Aayla
24 points
90 HP
19 def
9 att
20 dam
SA: Unique, Melee, Twin, Saber Dart, Stealth
FP: Force 3, Force Cloak, Force Lightning 2, Knight Speed
"Perhaps I want to be cruel."

#55 Shamed One (Yuuzhan Vong)
RM: Geonosian Drone
3 points
10 HP
14 def
1 att
10 dam
SA: Force Immunity, Melee, Low Caste (can't cost less than 3 points, can't be reinforcement or reserve), Shamed One (not subject to Vong SAs that boost damage or attack)
"Shamed ones are cursed by the gods, they work as slaves, they are not worth speaking of."

* New abilities aren't exact wording, just the gist of it....
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been away from the forums for a while due to been ill, I hope to update this thread ASAP with new info that's come out in the last month or so.

As for SHNN, is it possible to give out the set number with any names that are released . I don't have as much time as I once did so only want to put details in post 1 that will not require been changed later, so names without set numbers wont be put in post one.

Thanks in advance

Nice to see that this thread has continued.

Dread
TheHutts
Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:04:10 PM
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There were 2 full spoilers on SHNN last Thursday - I noted down the names a couple of days ago, but just went back and listened to the episode again now, and transcribed the full spoilers (a couple of posts up). They're the first full spoilers to be fully publicly released, apart from the BHC pieces from GenCon.
TimmerB123
Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:55:14 PM
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dreadtech wrote:
been away from the forums for a while due to been ill, I hope to update this thread ASAP with new info that's come out in the last month or so.

As for SHNN, is it possible to give out the set number with any names that are released . I don't have as much time as I once did so only want to put details in post 1 that will not require been changed later, so names without set numbers wont be put in post one.

Thanks in advance

Nice to see that this thread has continued.

Dread


I think that has been the case for this set so far, and should continue to be.
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:58:27 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
Two spoilers on SHNN last night:

#7 Alema Rar (Sith)
RM: Clone Strike Aayla
24 points
90 HP
19 def
9 att
20 dam
SA: Unique, Melee, Twin, Saber Dart, Stealth
FP: Force 3, Force Cloak, Force Lightning 2, Knight Speed
"Perhaps I want to be cruel."

#55 Shamed One (Yuuzhan Vong)
RM: Geonosian Drone
3 points
10 HP
14 def
1 att
10 dam
SA: Force Immunity, Melee, Low Caste (can't cost less than 3 points, can't be reinforcement or reserve), Shamed One (not subject to Vong SAs that boost damage or attack)
"Shamed ones are cursed by the gods, they work as slaves, they are not worth speaking of."

* New abilities aren't exact wording, just the gist of it....


First full previews are up. I'd love to hear what squads you might use these pieces in and how they might be best used!
TheHutts
Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:16:02 PM
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I think Alema Rar should have a good niche - at that price, you can slip her in as a 3rd or 4th attacker. I imagine you'd ideally want to play her with some source of Force Points, so she can Lightning more than once?
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:37:24 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
I think Alema Rar should have a good niche - at that price, you can slip her in as a 3rd or 4th attacker. I imagine you'd ideally want to play her with some source of Force Points, so she can Lightning more than once?


I can see that. We played around with her a lot. Several builds with sid-o-gram and Wyyyrlock.

I also find she pairs nicely with Revan. The Saber Dart can be quite a nuisance. In one game we played due to bad save rolls it caused more damage than anything overall. You shoot it once and it can just keep damaging the opponent.
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TheHutts wrote:
I think Alema Rar should have a good niche - at that price, you can slip her in as a 3rd or 4th attacker. I imagine you'd ideally want to play her with some source of Force Points, so she can Lightning more than once?

I'm thinking Holosid for Alema, I can't see myself using a force spirit on her... Twin means she will be a good AoO person for Malgus' Face your Destiny. (forcing them to move adjacent even if they must get hit with AoO's) Saber Dart gives her a nice range option (since I don't use it much on Jango, I would rather attack 90% of the time) especially with stealth and maybe even Cloaked. I understand why she doesn't have any Exotic Force powers like Phantoms or memory scrubbing as these would be hard to create and probably impractical. I think it would be cool if shec woulda turned out to be the Siths levitation piece. (maybe reserving that for someone later?) I'm slightly disappointed she doesn't have Solo Hunter though... Good piece over all and she definitely deserved a miniThumbsUp

As for the Shamed One I don't have much to say as I don't really see a use for them, could someone help me out?Unsure
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Deathwielded wrote:

As for the Shamed One I don't have much to say as I don't really see a use for them, could someone help me out?Unsure

Maybe someone could help them out
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Advance agent officer and yomin carr are the only boosts I can think of, I mean I guess he has cheap force immunity going for him.
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1. Why did we need another Aayla?

2. Why not give some other Jedi some love? Looking at you Kit Fisto.
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Prestige Worldwide wrote:
1. Why did we need another Aayla?


RM = Recommended Mini - so that Aayla is the recommended mini for Alema. I agree we don't need another Aayla, since the one from last set is really sweet, although maybe there's scope for a clone commander piece sometime.
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Posted: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:23:54 AM
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Deathwielded wrote:
TheHutts wrote:
I think Alema Rar should have a good niche - at that price, you can slip her in as a 3rd or 4th attacker. I imagine you'd ideally want to play her with some source of Force Points, so she can Lightning more than once?

I'm thinking Holosid for Alema, I can't see myself using a force spirit on her... Twin means she will be a good AoO person for Malgus' Face your Destiny. (forcing them to move adjacent even if they must get hit with AoO's) Unsure

Hadn't even really considered this option. That's smart, since she one of the cheaper twin attacker in the sith.

Deathwielded wrote:
Saber Dart gives her a nice range option (since I don't use it much on Jango, I would rather attack 90% of the time) especially with stealth and maybe even Cloaked.


Yes, exactly. Deri (fingersandteeth) and I did a playtest with her and annihilated me with Revan, Jaq and her. I just couldn't catch up with the movement. He shot with Jaq and Saber darted with Alema, and then when I got close he started lightning and twin attacking, but by then I was so softened up it was almost over.

Deathwielded wrote:
I understand why she doesn't have any Exotic Force powers like Phantoms or memory scrubbing as these would be hard to create and probably impractical. I think it would be cool if shec woulda turned out to be the Siths levitation piece. (maybe reserving that for someone later?) I'm slightly disappointed she doesn't have Solo Hunter though... Good piece over all and she definitely deserved a miniThumbsUp

Sounds like you're a fan of the character, glad you like the stats. As designers there is always a balance to try and achieve. There is a literal limit of room on the card to be aware of, and we want a mini to be functional at a certain price point. We could have piled more onto her (like some of the other abilities you mentioned), but we really wanted her to be low to mid 20's cost, so she could be a 3rd or 4th threat on the team, with a few different options (twin, lightning, saberdart). I actually think she's a good little package at that price point.
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harryg wrote:
Advance agent officer and yomin carr are the only boosts I can think of, I mean I guess he has cheap force immunity going for him.


Yeah - you could do a pretty cheap spit swarm with the shamed ones, but you'd only get a few more activations than if you used workers, and then they can be easily picked off by any shooter due to the lack of stealth. Not to mention using Nom to make the workers blow up. It would be ultimately more effective than workers alone (without Nom) if you faced all melee, or could be slightly better than workers with Nom if you faced a melee swarm. Nom Anor, Executor could give them stealth, but you may as well use workers at that point.

I can't really see using the advance agent officer soley to boost these guys. Sure if you just happen to have one Shamed One to round out your squad and you're in a pickle, then I could see it - but a swarm of these guys with an Advance Agent Officer - not so much. The attack is still too low to hit much. Same goes for using a swarm of these guys with Tsavong Lah to get momentum.

You could use these guys as a sort of sacrifice to gain the Commander Effect benefits from Jakan, High Priest or Shimmra, but I don't know how cost effective that is.

You could make them move faster with Nas Choka or give them charging with The DS Subaltern, but that's pretty limited use.

As of now it seems like the most likely use is simply rounding out an all Vong squad with the last 3 points to spend.

But there might be something more . . . Cool
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Would you ever want to use a shamed one over a mouse or uggy though? Even a rodian seems like it might be a better option.
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