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TimmerB123 wrote:The truth is this is a very very small set of results to draw much from. Is Daala good? Yes! Are Klats good? Yes!
But literally a dice change or 2 and we have a separatist champ, and/or a republic champ, and or a rebel champ (or 2).
These squads were the 4 or 5 that won in the end, but most were not undefeated.
I personally have yet to lose to Daala or Talon Karrde (not to say I won't), and I beat the MI champ Daala squad that day (people seem to be forgetting that). Match-ups are huge
A few years back Spry won a regional with Storm Commandos, beating several top players. He's a good player and his squad was good. But look at the match-ups - he beat 4 nearly all Melee squads that day. Couldn't have better matchups. Then at GenCon he went 0-3 with the same squad and dropped. Many people thought Storm Commandos would make a strong showing, but he was the only one playing them in the end, and people had a plan.
Everyone will have a plan for Daala at GenCon.
And if they don't they aren't very competitive. Surprise squads often do well.
Daala is the gatekeeper. But Daala won't win GenCon. Neither will a bunch of Klats. Honestly, I hope you're right about this statement (in bold). But what makes you so sure? Are you thinking that someone has a smooth counter that can handle the rest of the field too? I know that nobody will be revealing their hand (which is fine...kinda exciting, actually!). But it just seems to me like this statement of yours could be a bit too far on the confident side. Personally, I'd give Daala a 50% chance to win the GenCon Championship this year. I'm sure there will be some well-played counters to her, and as you rightly said, matchups are key. But if a gatekeeper is not a true threat to win it all, then it's not much of a gatekeeper, is it?
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I wasn't aware that Daala (post errata) was still in the running. Interesting. So are Dalaa and Klats the two "Gate Keepers"?
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thereisnotry wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:The truth is this is a very very small set of results to draw much from. Is Daala good? Yes! Are Klats good? Yes!
But literally a dice change or 2 and we have a separatist champ, and/or a republic champ, and or a rebel champ (or 2).
These squads were the 4 or 5 that won in the end, but most were not undefeated.
I personally have yet to lose to Daala or Talon Karrde (not to say I won't), and I beat the MI champ Daala squad that day (people seem to be forgetting that). Match-ups are huge
A few years back Spry won a regional with Storm Commandos, beating several top players. He's a good player and his squad was good. But look at the match-ups - he beat 4 nearly all Melee squads that day. Couldn't have better matchups. Then at GenCon he went 0-3 with the same squad and dropped. Many people thought Storm Commandos would make a strong showing, but he was the only one playing them in the end, and people had a plan.
Everyone will have a plan for Daala at GenCon.
And if they don't they aren't very competitive. Surprise squads often do well.
Daala is the gatekeeper. But Daala won't win GenCon. Neither will a bunch of Klats. Honestly, I hope you're right about this statement (in bold). But what makes you so sure? Are you thinking that someone has a smooth counter that can handle the rest of the field too? I know that nobody will be revealing their hand (which is fine...kinda exciting, actually!). But it just seems to me like this statement of yours could be a bit too far on the confident side. Personally, I'd give Daala a 50% chance to win the GenCon Championship this year. I'm sure there will be some well-played counters to her, and as you rightly said, matchups are key. But if a gatekeeper is not a true threat to win it all, then it's not much of a gatekeeper, is it? His statement sounds a lot like the old Mace Windu argument and we all know what happened there lol. If a really talented players shows up running Daala it will be extremely hard to not predict them to be the champion.
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It is true that any squad could win Gencon, and I certainly won't make bold predictions as to what will or what won't win Gencon.
As a Gencon championship player it is much more important to play a squad that can make T8, because once you get to the T8 all bets are off. However looking at an estimated field of 24-28 players for the champs, the question is how many Daala squads will there actually be? I assume that if TJ plays in the champs, that he will be sporting some sort of Daala build, but beyond that, I look at many of the players who I expect to participate in the champs, and I honestly don't see more than maybe one or two other Daala squads in the field. So if only two or three people are playing Daala, it could be very difficult for Daala to even make T8.
However, it is a catch 22 because if Daala doesn't win it certainly doesn't mean that the squad isn't good, and even if she does win, it doesn't mean that she is still a problem.
And the real idea about the whole thing is diversity. If only a few people are playing Daala (or any squad), then isn't that the goal of our endeavors? I mean we certainly don't want to revert back to the end of the WOTC era where like 40% of the field all ran the same squad.
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If the champs draws 24-28 players I will be floored. Especially when the largest regional we have seen this year drew 12.
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10 tickets are already pre-sold, so we will see.
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That's definitely a good sign, and I hope you get that high of a number, but 10 tickets, and 24-28 is a big difference.
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I think we had 26 last year, so low-mid 20s is not out of the question.
Plus, the traditional biggest regional (Wisconsin) is still on the horizon, as are WNY and Chicago, so it's certainly possible we will see some bigger turnouts.
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If a lot of people are running Daala, I'd be tempted to run Yobuck (I love that squad!)...but now that Klats are a big contender, nevermind. :)
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adamb0nd wrote:I wasn't aware that Daala (post errata) was still in the running. Interesting. So are Dalaa and Klats the two "Gate Keepers"? I think those 2 are going to be the squads to beat IMO
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thereisnotry wrote:If a lot of people are running Daala, I'd be tempted to run Yobuck (I love that squad!)...but now that Klats are a big contender, nevermind. :) Lol Anyway, I just finished a match with my opponent playing the Klats, man they are tough when they are built around! I have usually seen them as a threw in piece or a Reinforcement and I think they have been mostly overlooked. They have been used, but not abusedI think now that we see how great they are when abused they will be quite a force to be reckoned with. Tier 1 squads are squads that abuse a great feature and make it game 'breaking'. (Double Lancers, Stealth and Blue, ect) I ran Dooku+Spotter/Sniper and Poggle Bombs. I think that squad type is pretty good against Daala and Klats, being afraid to shoot Dooku or get adjacent. Plus Chain Lighting is useful against Swarms and, if your opponent isn't careful and leaves a normal piece within 3 squares to his Cloaked Klat... You can take him out at range.
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They won the PA/MD Regional last year. Quote:Luke Cook Here Comes the Boom Muun Republic
Mon Mothma Morrigan Corde Klatoonian Assassin X 7 R2D2 Jabba CL Admiral Yularen Rodian Diplomat Ugnaught demolitionist Is that merely using them, but not abusing them? I think a lot of players quickly picked up that they were an incredibly strong option for 12 points.
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TheHutts wrote:They won the PA/MD Regional last year. Quote:Luke Cook Here Comes the Boom Muun Republic
Mon Mothma Morrigan Corde Klatoonian Assassin X 7 R2D2 Jabba CL Admiral Yularen Rodian Diplomat Ugnaught demolitionist Is that merely using them, but not abusing them? I think a lot of players quickly picked up that they were an incredibly strong option for 12 points. I think you are right, but I prefer to call it playing to their strengths, or finding their potential 😊
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Deathwielded wrote:adamb0nd wrote:I wasn't aware that Daala (post errata) was still in the running. Interesting. So are Dalaa and Klats the two "Gate Keepers"? I think those 2 are going to be the squads to beat IMO Don't you think that's jumping the gun a little? I assume when we're referring to the Klats, we're talking about scruffyhan's build? It's no doubt very good, but it won ONE regional. The regional season is only halfway over--who knows what other squads will show up? As I said before, just because you have to consider how you'll handle something in your preparation, that doesn't mean that it's a gatekeeper or "the squad to beat." They're very good squads in a field of a LOT of very good squads. The Klat assassins are very strong, and scruffyhan's build takes great advantage of them. I could be wrong and that squad could win all the remaining regionals and Gen Con, I suppose. But I doubt it. I won't go far as to say neither Daala nor a squad built around Klats will win Gen Con--both have a great chance, depending on who's there and what they play. I get that only Daala and Talon Karrde squads have won major tournaments so far this year, but nothing in the results from those events makes me think that other squads couldn't have won if rolls and match-ups were different. I think that's the best we can ask for--lots of different squads with a chance. I think TheHutts' Regional thread (sorry, can't get hyperlink to work) bears this out, as it shows that numerous factions are doing very well this season, even though only Imperial and Fringe have actually won events.
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