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By no means will he reliably win, but I think he has a decent chance.
If Ulic Rushes in and attacks, he will probably take 50 damage from Djem So, then Luke smacks him for 120 with Triple and Twin. Ulic is dead with a chance to deal 30 damage that will probably be blocked anyway. Luke can Force Defense a block if Ulic tries it. Kun would then be a piece of cake. Of course, that would assume that Ulic rushed and that Luke made a lot of saves or made a lot of rerolls. I think Luke could have a decent chance. It all depends on when the battle begun. If Luke had a chance to build up force, I would say he has a good chance. If not, a slim chance.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:theres no way he would win.
i guve him death by 6th inish.
you send out Ulic 1st, when he starts to wither and die, you kill him with Kun, so he can get at luke with full health.
the way i see it, luke would atleast have lost 50-60 hp against Ulic. Kun bats cleanup on his trip att.
luke cant make every save, which i found out last night. Actually that would be terribly ineffective vs Luke. Why? Here is the scenario: Ulic activates and Doubles, hits Luke with Rage, Luke rolls Djem So and hit Ulic for 50 back, then Luke can either LS Defense it or keep the FP. Let's say he misses the Djem So, makes the LS defense. 2nd of Ulic's attacks, flip the probabilities on what would happen, Luke makes Djem So and misses LS defense. Luke activates next, kills Ulic. Ulic dies with Luke taking maybe 30 depending on the rolls. Now a full HP Kun is supposed to defeat him when he doesn't start out next to Luke? Hardly Luke would crush Kun if for no reason but based on Djem So alone. If it is 2 vs 1 you base Luke with both of the after Luke has activated, REGARDLESS. Luke can't KO one of them if he wins Init and he can't kill the other one if he hits the other for 120 and the one attacking has 0 damage.
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Sounds pretty accurate to me lol
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joelker41 wrote:Mandalore Da Beast wrote:theres no way he would win.
i guve him death by 6th inish.
you send out Ulic 1st, when he starts to wither and die, you kill him with Kun, so he can get at luke with full health.
the way i see it, luke would atleast have lost 50-60 hp against Ulic. Kun bats cleanup on his trip att.
luke cant make every save, which i found out last night. Actually that would be terribly ineffective vs Luke. Why? Here is the scenario: Ulic activates and Doubles, hits Luke with Rage, Luke rolls Djem So and hit Ulic for 50 back, then Luke can either LS Defense it or keep the FP. Let's say he misses the Djem So, makes the LS defense. 2nd of Ulic's attacks, flip the probabilities on what would happen, Luke makes Djem So and misses LS defense. Luke activates next, kills Ulic. Ulic dies with Luke taking maybe 30 depending on the rolls. Now a full HP Kun is supposed to defeat him when he doesn't start out next to Luke? Hardly Luke would crush Kun if for no reason but based on Djem So alone. If it is 2 vs 1 you base Luke with both of the after Luke has activated, REGARDLESS. Luke can't KO one of them if he wins Init and he can't kill the other one if he hits the other for 120 and the one attacking has 0 damage. if you use Kuns ability to kill ulic, and have Kun take his place with full health, you can absolutely have Kun defeat luke on the next inish, because i dont who you are, you cant roll saves all day long. Kun on the next inish starts adjacent to GMLS, at full health (if youve played yer cards right with Ulic) heres hoping Kun wins inish as well (because its dependant that he wins, for if he doesnt, yea, hes a goner.) and on the Djem so, luke would be hitting for 60, not 50.(twin att). now, lets say the roles are reversed....say kun dies first. Luke only then gets 1 FP per activation, making it harder for luke to use his MOTF(do i spend on FORCE DEF? or do i just stay with the LS def.) you have to make a tough decision. that LS def is only going to save you on 2 attacks, considering that Kun is not dead. either way, im EXTREMELY curious about this, and am going to work it right now.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:joelker41 wrote:Mandalore Da Beast wrote:theres no way he would win.
i guve him death by 6th inish.
you send out Ulic 1st, when he starts to wither and die, you kill him with Kun, so he can get at luke with full health.
the way i see it, luke would atleast have lost 50-60 hp against Ulic. Kun bats cleanup on his trip att.
luke cant make every save, which i found out last night. Actually that would be terribly ineffective vs Luke. Why? Here is the scenario: Ulic activates and Doubles, hits Luke with Rage, Luke rolls Djem So and hit Ulic for 50 back, then Luke can either LS Defense it or keep the FP. Let's say he misses the Djem So, makes the LS defense. 2nd of Ulic's attacks, flip the probabilities on what would happen, Luke makes Djem So and misses LS defense. Luke activates next, kills Ulic. Ulic dies with Luke taking maybe 30 depending on the rolls. Now a full HP Kun is supposed to defeat him when he doesn't start out next to Luke? Hardly Luke would crush Kun if for no reason but based on Djem So alone. If it is 2 vs 1 you base Luke with both of the after Luke has activated, REGARDLESS. Luke can't KO one of them if he wins Init and he can't kill the other one if he hits the other for 120 and the one attacking has 0 damage. if you use Kuns ability to kill ulic, and have Kun take his place with full health, you can absolutely have Kun defeat luke on the next inish, because i dont who you are, you cant roll saves all day long. Kun on the next inish starts adjacent to GMLS, at full health (if youve played yer cards right with Ulic) heres hoping Kun wins inish as well (because its dependant that he wins, for if he doesnt, yea, hes a goner.) and on the Djem so, luke would be hitting for 60, not 50.(twin att). now, lets say the roles are reversed....say kun dies first. Luke only then gets 1 FP per activation, making it harder for luke to use his MOTF(do i spend on FORCE DEF? or do i just stay with the LS def.) you have to make a tough decision. that LS def is only going to save you on 2 attacks, considering that Kun is not dead. either way, im EXTREMELY curious about this, and am going to work it right now. Your lack of familiarity with Djem So Style Mastery (You only get the +10 on the first attack of the Twin, think Princess Leia's commander effect) coupled with these outrageous and unlikely scenarios is making my head hurt lol. If the Luke player is based with Exar and Uliq is not based with Luke it would be incredibly easy for Luke to just take an AoO (and Djem So on it) and possibly Lightsaber defense the AoO then go Twin Ulic for 40. If Uliq attacks Luke Twice (see my example in my last post) he will likely have 100 damage on him if Luke rolls 1 of the two Djem Sos, and he can LS Defense both if he wishes (again he would have to have stored up a lot of FPs). If Kun runs up (having taken 50 from the AoO) and tries to hit Luke, Luke can Djem So him for another 50 and potentially take 0 damage with LS defense. Now Kun is is sitting at possibly 80 HP (2 50 damage Djem Sos) left and Ulic has 70 (40 for Luke Twin then the Djem So). If I were Luke and I had 2 Force Points I would totally have my opponennt go first if I won Init. Kun want to triple? OK, if 2/3 of the 3 Djem Sos activate he dies and Luke can again LS Defense. Then Luke activates and kills Uliq and Kun if Kun is still alive. You are giving the Sith far to much credit IMO.
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ok, i wasnt sure that you would get the plus 10 on both attacks of the twin, thats how ive ran it. but since thats not the case, you are right. BUT. my scenario doesnt have ulic and KUN adjacent to luke, just ulic( hes fodder for all i care) my goal with ulic is to atleast attempt to take luke down 60 hp, and it could happen, considering that luke is rolling threes or below on Djem  and or missing his saves. we are talkin 150 hp, vs. 340 hp. i love my sith, but i do love GMLS more. so for the sake of arguement, im not trying to be arguementitive. just trying to wrap my head around the probabilities of the saves on Djem So. i just dont see luke living through it. like i said, im going to try it,
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i dunno if anyone mentioned this cuz the forum was way to long to read the whole thing.. but obvious choice for GMLS to run with is deff leia, miss your LS Defense roll & reroll it.. plus shes low costing.. other options i like with him would be Kyp Durron.. this way he can finally get renewal without an unique dying & i see your opponent going strickly for GMLS most of the time so would be a very long time before he got savage..
Now on who else you run with him would determain weither to run wedge with him, this is a ruff idea of most of the pieces i would run with him
GMLS: (All Getting renewal)
Leia Skywalker (JA - i say is a must)
Kyp Durron (IE - i say is a good choice, twin LSA with renewal)
General Dodonna (LOTF - i also say is a must cuz i GMLS pt cost)
Jarael (KOTOR - i say is a good choice, low pt cost & also with leia she gets double parry & evade rolls)
Juhani (Bust out the force cloaked & she gets renewal, so double blocking, & if use wedge then double evades)
As for uncommons i find the Ossus Vong Guards are great maybe 1 or 2 of them. & obviously the Twi Vigo's them on there own are beastly & are great shooters.. but yea theres a million other ways to go with him these are just choices i like, i have plently more choices too but these i would say are the top ones..
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Leia isn't a must, per se. If you're playing 200, then yes, she is, but at 150 I would feel fine fielding a number of options (I'd probably take Jarael more often than not. She is just a pain in the a$$ with Renewal).
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joelker41 wrote:Mandalore Da Beast wrote:joelker41 wrote:Mandalore Da Beast wrote:theres no way he would win.
i guve him death by 6th inish.
you send out Ulic 1st, when he starts to wither and die, you kill him with Kun, so he can get at luke with full health.
the way i see it, luke would atleast have lost 50-60 hp against Ulic. Kun bats cleanup on his trip att.
luke cant make every save, which i found out last night. Actually that would be terribly ineffective vs Luke. Why? Here is the scenario: Ulic activates and Doubles, hits Luke with Rage, Luke rolls Djem So and hit Ulic for 50 back, then Luke can either LS Defense it or keep the FP. SOOOOOOOO.... the results are in. GMLS goes 10-2 in vs. head to head. first 2 fights (me and my friend switched who would use Luke) **GMLS VS. Ulic and Exar Kun= 2-0. yea, you were right, i was wrong. so very, very wrong. **GMLS VS. Exar Kun and Bane= 1-1 bane was able to hit 2 crits with sith rage, and gmls couldnt Djem So either. pretty quick. when i used Luke, he survived by 10 hp, killing Kun. **GMLS VS. Revan and Bane= 1-1. same results as before, except Bane hit no crits, and GMLS still had 10 hp. **GMLS VS. Bane and Darth Sion( yea yea, i know, why sion? stupid idea)= 2-0 and GMLS decided to be a jerk, and make sure Sion never saw the light of day again with Force Def. pretty funny stuff. **GMLS VS. GOWK= why not? it was worth a shot. shot was a blank apparently, cuz GMLS went 2-0. so, the point of the story is, GMLS is not to be fooled with unless you have good shooters, because with your force using sith/jedi, you have a 20% chance of winning against him. He went 10-2 total. i will never doubt anyone who says he is beast, because he is. Let's say he misses the Djem So, makes the LS defense. 2nd of Ulic's attacks, flip the probabilities on what would happen, Luke makes Djem So and misses LS defense. Luke activates next, kills Ulic. Ulic dies with Luke taking maybe 30 depending on the rolls. Now a full HP Kun is supposed to defeat him when he doesn't start out next to Luke? Hardly Luke would crush Kun if for no reason but based on Djem So alone. If it is 2 vs 1 you base Luke with both of the after Luke has activated, REGARDLESS. Luke can't KO one of them if he wins Init and he can't kill the other one if he hits the other for 120 and the one attacking has 0 damage. if you use Kuns ability to kill ulic, and have Kun take his place with full health, you can absolutely have Kun defeat luke on the next inish, because i dont who you are, you cant roll saves all day long. Kun on the next inish starts adjacent to GMLS, at full health (if youve played yer cards right with Ulic) heres hoping Kun wins inish as well (because its dependant that he wins, for if he doesnt, yea, hes a goner.) and on the Djem so, luke would be hitting for 60, not 50.(twin att). now, lets say the roles are reversed....say kun dies first. Luke only then gets 1 FP per activation, making it harder for luke to use his MOTF(do i spend on FORCE DEF? or do i just stay with the LS def.) you have to make a tough decision. that LS def is only going to save you on 2 attacks, considering that Kun is not dead. either way, im EXTREMELY curious about this, and am going to work it right now. Your lack of familiarity with Djem So Style Mastery (You only get the +10 on the first attack of the Twin, think Princess Leia's commander effect) coupled with these outrageous and unlikely scenarios is making my head hurt lol. If the Luke player is based with Exar and Uliq is not based with Luke it would be incredibly easy for Luke to just take an AoO (and Djem So on it) and possibly Lightsaber defense the AoO then go Twin Ulic for 40. If Uliq attacks Luke Twice (see my example in my last post) he will likely have 100 damage on him if Luke rolls 1 of the two Djem Sos, and he can LS Defense both if he wishes (again he would have to have stored up a lot of FPs). If Kun runs up (having taken 50 from the AoO) and tries to hit Luke, Luke can Djem So him for another 50 and potentially take 0 damage with LS defense. Now Kun is is sitting at possibly 80 HP (2 50 damage Djem Sos) left and Ulic has 70 (40 for Luke Twin then the Djem So). If I were Luke and I had 2 Force Points I would totally have my opponennt go first if I won Init. Kun want to triple? OK, if 2/3 of the 3 Djem Sos activate he dies and Luke can again LS Defense. Then Luke activates and kills Uliq and Kun if Kun is still alive. You are giving the Sith far to much credit IMO. SOOOOOOOO.... the results are in. GMLS goes 10-2 in vs. head to head. first 2 fights (me and my friend switched who would use Luke) **GMLS VS. Ulic and Exar Kun= 2-0. yea, you were right, i was wrong. so very, very wrong. **GMLS VS. Exar Kun and Bane= 1-1 bane was able to hit 2 crits with sith rage, and gmls couldnt Djem So either. pretty quick. when i used Luke, he survived by 10 hp, killing Kun. **GMLS VS. Revan and Bane= 1-1. same results as before, except Bane hit no crits, and GMLS still had 10 hp. **GMLS VS. Bane and Darth Sion( yea yea, i know, why sion? stupid idea)= 2-0 and GMLS decided to be a jerk, and make sure Sion never saw the light of day again with Force Def. pretty funny stuff. **GMLS VS. GOWK= why not? it was worth a shot. apparently the shot was a blank cuz GMLS went 2-0. so, the point of the story is, GMLS is not to be fooled with unless you have good shooters, because with your force using sith/jedi, you have a 20% chance of winning against him. He went 10-2 total. i will never doubt anyone who says he is beast, because he is.
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Ouchies super quote wall of text @_@
Gmls vs Commander 66 was alot more fun
Rex + tarkin + thrawn
super 6 attack oppurtunist base gmls = death
and if u dont then win init with thrawn and 6 attack him again ^_^
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Why play anyone?
As soon as it starts killing things in DCI it will just get banned.
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I am gunna use Jacen and Ani so but the time my opponent kills Luke he has done so much damage that Ani and Jacen will finish off the game with a BANG!!
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Draconarius wrote:Leia isn't a must, per se. If you're playing 200, then yes, she is, but at 150 I would feel fine fielding a number of options (I'd probably take Jarael more often than not. She is just a pain in the a$$ with Renewal). i dunno i might have to disagree.. all though jarael doesnt have force renewal & would get it from GMLS & leia does have it i wouldnt say just for that facter bring jarael in. 1 i dont think i would ever use him in a 150, but if i were i would use dodonna, leia & GMLS.. basically in a 150 i would have to say your whole team is built around GMLS so with double lightsaber defense rolls incase he misses so you dont have to basically spend your force points as much to reroll would be better than jarael. Also leia has LS throw so she adds some range into the mix. Only thing you dont have is door control which you could sub dodonna for to get 3 uggs giving you more acts. So i know what your saying but in my own opinion i know if i were to use him in a 150 i would have to def use leia. GMLS alone has enough kudos to take on a whole 150 myself in my eyes. With Jarael your getting parry & evade, but i think anyone playing you anyways is going for GMLS just for the fact of the points you'll get from defeating him & him dying makes jarael or leia no problem. So being as i think he would have the target on his back, i think leia with him would be a better option just so he's staying alive. Basically whoever he bases is done. But again thats in my opinion..
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Ulic Qel-Droma wrote:Why play anyone?
As soon as it starts killing things in DCI it will just get banned. I see the master of irrelevant posts has migrated to Bloomilk...
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joelker41 wrote:Ulic Qel-Droma wrote:Why play anyone?
As soon as it starts killing things in DCI it will just get banned. I see the master of irrelevant posts has migrated to Bloomilk... i dont see it getting banned at all. like i said earlier. if you have really good shooters, say. mandalorian super commandos with a capt( CE Twin att), a Quarter master(CE +4 to attack), and any other mando for that reason. Luke would be a toaster strudel. especially if yer playing 150 pt. squads. even in a 200 pt. squad, hes breakfast on the go. Joel is right by saying what he said earlier for his melee and his abilities.
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Luke did better than I thought he would.
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defender390 wrote:Luke did better than I thought he would. Bane was his biggest threat. i kept making my buddy try to save on LS def. against both Exar and Revan. he would save, but then miss on Djem after the 3rd hit. then Big bad Bane would activate and hit 4 a 100. he made only 1 djem save, which only hit for 50. every time Luke would win vs. a Bane squad, luke had 10 hp left. except when luke was fighting Bane/sion, that was just an easy victory for luke. matter of fact, everyone of Sions attacks missed, and my friend didnt have the courage to spend FPs to reroll, on the chance Sion might be defeated. Luke escaped the 1st battle taking 0 damage.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:joelker41 wrote:Ulic Qel-Droma wrote:Why play anyone?
As soon as it starts killing things in DCI it will just get banned. I see the master of irrelevant posts has migrated to Bloomilk... i dont see it getting banned at all. like i said earlier. if you have really good shooters, say. mandalorian super commandos with a capt( CE Twin att), a Quarter master(CE +4 to attack), and any other mando for that reason. Luke would be a toaster strudel. especially if yer playing 150 pt. squads. even in a 200 pt. squad, hes breakfast on the go. Joel is right by saying what he said earlier for his melee and his abilities. i played a last man standing 160 pts (just how they play in hawera) with GMLS and mara jedi just for laughs. with mara i stood in a doorway waiting for someone to run around the corner to pot shot them with stealth, and with GMLS i ran into a room (which was gambit) full of mandos. it was carnage. my luke was able to survive 3 nd a half rounds. boba fett merc comander just destroyed me for some reason. it was an epic fail lololol. luke against mandos = :(
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hellz yea. Mandies are the Beef to SW mini Macaroni. in about 6 battles already, with Mandies Fighting GMLS, GMLS has done nothing BUT epic fail. i can see GMLS going gambit against any other squad other then The Mandalorians.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:hellz yea. Mandies are the Beef to SW mini Macaroni. in about 6 battles already, with Mandies Fighting GMLS, GMLS has done nothing BUT epic fail. i can see GMLS going gambit against any other squad other then The Mandalorians. totally. dude, it wasnt cool at all. hahahaha. i had like 4 force points to start with aswell, so i just died that much quicker. it was ugly to watch. but beautiful in its own way....
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