Timmer B your arrogance on the issue is sickening.

You say it is subjective. I say that feats can be quantified and put into game mechanics.

Answer some questions please, if you can give a decent answer I can forma different opinion on the flavor of this piece.


What proof/evidence/feat is there that backs up single shot blaster?

What proof/evidence/feat is there that backs up furious assaut?

What proof/evidence/feat is there that backs up his 8 atk?

What proof/evidence/feat is there to back up base 10 damage?

Although I think flavor is very important, it is also true that it's an abstraction, especially for things like Attack values. Like look at Han Solo, Rogue compared to Han Solo, Rebel Hero. Does the Endor jacket grant +4 Attack? Did being frozen in carbonite between Empire and Jedi make Han a better shot? No, it's just a value chosen for gameplay.

I think the arguments against Single Shot Blaster (just based on the name, which probably should have been something different originally) and Furious Assault are reasonable. I think the argument against base 10 Damage is also somewhat fair. I don't really see a good argument against his Attack value. Sure, he didn't miss a shot in the movie that I recall, but you can't just make the shots all auto-hit. Maybe he was just rolling well that day. Maybe nobody he was shooting at had cover or +Defense CEs and he was getting his Chirrut synergy so he only needed 6s to hit Stormtroopers.

Since I am not a designer, all I can draw from is my experiences as a player. Like ATM, one of the reasons I still play this game is because of friendships forged over the years. However, if the game weren't fun I'd just find something else to do with those friends I've made. Part of what makes the game fun is theme. I told someone not too long ago that if I knew of a Wings of Glory WW2 play group locally back when X Wing came out I would have sunk my money into that and not X Wing. Why? Theme. So, for me, if it doesn't feel like Star Wars, feel like what happens in the movies, I don't enjoy it as much.

I get that theme, or flavor, can be subjective. If the argument was 'my interpretation of flavor vs. your interpretation of flavor' it would be tough for me. But, if it is flavor vs. gameplay, then I'd say don't make the character at all if he can't 'feel' like the character in the movie.

I am not making any judgement on the character in question. Truth is, I only saw the movie twice and he wasn't a character I gravitated to.

Jiiiiiiiimmmmmm friend I've missed you lol.

(waves hand) You want to come to the Ohio regional. Miss you too, dude.

Mas Malbus!!



You on Baze, "I didn't see him move fast in the film."
Me on Baze, "You didn't see him cause he was moving so fast!"



Flavor is a consideration when designing but also possible synergies.
Which is always an issue with Rebels as they have some very broad-reaching boosts.
Another missing piece I’ll somewhat spoil is that Rogues can get +4 Attack, 10 Damage from Andor’s CE.

Here's other synergies I can think of but who knows what I've missed or may come with future design.

Cannon Shot Baze with a Bothan..
Han Solo, Rebel Hero: Advantageous Attack +10 Damage
Princess Leia, Rebel Commando: +10 Damage
Baze has Protective +10 Damage

Admiral Ackbar: +4 attack
Rebel Officer: +2 attack
Artoo-Detoo: +2 attack
Chief of State Mon Mothma: +1, +1 for each defeated unique ally
Princess Leia: +4 Attack

Baze Malbus . . . boosted . . .
100 hp w/ Force Attuned Armor and Evade from Rieekan and/or Cloaked from Threpio.
+16 attack for 40/50 damage on a Furious Assault or Double for 80-100 damage.
Mobile from Rieekan and potentially Greater Mobile Attack with Twilik BSV.
10 base damage but his gun gets up 40/50 damage from Rebel boosts.

Hopefully, he's a useful piece and if you want Baze even more a BAMF, @25 points you can build for that.

Not personally a huge fan of base 10 damage, but I think it's super-important that the Rogues need to be played together. I think that's great flavor-wise AND good for the game. Just my two credits.

Ya, that language I used originally was too harsh, I tried to change it to less harsh language.

IF Andor gives out +4 attack and +10 damage it is silly. We do not need anymore of that stuff, it is everywhere.

But I should wait for the entire stats.. so I will.

The CE is a huge selling point from Cassian. But even without it he is a BAMF. 25 points for some serious HP and thrown in a BG chewy and Lando who gives Unique Rebel Allies GMA with a SA, and this guy is savage from range.

I know his base stats are definitely for a 25 point piece (excluding HP) But his SA list is killer, and his synergy for every squad type will make him an auto play in my book for most future Rebel builds.

I still agree we need a stand alone Baze, just give him anarchist and were all good

Technically, Andor gives out a new SA to Rogue One. It has a conditional +4/+10.


And you haven't even seen Baze's last ability, lol