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FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:52:55 AM
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Ronson wrote:
This probably seems like a silly question to most of you, but is the Epic V-set going to become "canon" like the other V-sets? In other words, will they be playable and attainable to the whole community?

I am also confused about how these cards are being produced. I read somewhere that since the normal V-sets are 60 cards and the printers can print 72 cards they where looking for something to do with the other 12 cards. I thought that is where the idea for the Battle of Theed came from. Now there is a second mini set of 12 cards? All going to be released at Gencon? So there will be 3 sets released at Gencon bringing the total V-set count (including mini sets) to 4?


2 regular V-sets and 2 mini sets, so yes 4.

The Epics are printed separately, but it's been stated that they will be downloadable just like the other Vset cards. So they'll be 'canon' but not tournament-legal for regular skirmishes - only for the Epic Duo format.

(Just reporting what I heard - this information may be incorrect due to changes or my faulty memory.)
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:18:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure the Epic pieces are also intended for Mass Battle games. If we ever make them usable in normal tournaments, I'm sure we'd want to include it in the Floor Rules for the next update.
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On a sad note, while wookieepediaing one of the characters, I had something spoiled to me. Yet again. Someone block me from using that site!!!!
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Is it also true that these Epic cards will be epic themselves - Holographic w/ cut-out sections; super large size 3-D with electronic light-up sections as well? :P And I also heard that the card has electronic touch-screen stats (think iPad level) allowing you to change them during the skirmish? Is this true?
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creme_brule wrote:
Is it also true that these Epic cards will be epic themselves - Holographic w/ cut-out sections; super large size 3-D with electronic light-up sections as well? :P And I also heard that the card has electronic touch-screen stats (think iPad level) allowing you to change them during the skirmish? Is this true?


I heard that darth bane's card runs on diesel.
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adamb0nd wrote:
creme_brule wrote:
Is it also true that these Epic cards will be epic themselves - Holographic w/ cut-out sections; super large size 3-D with electronic light-up sections as well? :P And I also heard that the card has electronic touch-screen stats (think iPad level) allowing you to change them during the skirmish? Is this true?


I heard that darth bane's card runs on diesel.

And if you lose while using Darth Vader's card an DV style voice coming from the card says 'You have failed me for the last time' and then you start to gasp and choke.
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adamb0nd wrote:
creme_brule wrote:
Is it also true that these Epic cards will be epic themselves - Holographic w/ cut-out sections; super large size 3-D with electronic light-up sections as well? :P And I also heard that the card has electronic touch-screen stats (think iPad level) allowing you to change them during the skirmish? Is this true?


I heard that darth bane's card runs on diesel.


I heard that Darth Bane's card is played by VIN Diesel.
Wedge772
Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:43:40 PM
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Ronson wrote:
This probably seems like a silly question to most of you, but is the Epic V-set going to become "canon" like the other V-sets? In other words, will they be playable and attainable to the whole community?

I am also confused about how these cards are being produced. I read somewhere that since the normal V-sets are 60 cards and the printers can print 72 cards they where looking for something to do with the other 12 cards. I thought that is where the idea for the Battle of Theed came from. Now there is a second mini set of 12 cards? All going to be released at Gencon? So there will be 3 sets released at Gencon bringing the total V-set count (including mini sets) to 4?


Also bit confused by that. Wondering why we can't just make a regular V-Set that is 72 cards, instead of breaking it into 2 sets of 60 + 12? We don't need to follow WotC's model all the time, and a single 72 card set will make ordering / handling alot easier. Imagine if R&R was a 70 card set, which happened to include 10 additional Episode 1 pieces, wouldn't that be simpler?

That said, I'm loving the idea for the next mini-set :)
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Wedge772 wrote:
Ronson wrote:
This probably seems like a silly question to most of you, but is the Epic V-set going to become "canon" like the other V-sets? In other words, will they be playable and attainable to the whole community?

I am also confused about how these cards are being produced. I read somewhere that since the normal V-sets are 60 cards and the printers can print 72 cards they where looking for something to do with the other 12 cards. I thought that is where the idea for the Battle of Theed came from. Now there is a second mini set of 12 cards? All going to be released at Gencon? So there will be 3 sets released at Gencon bringing the total V-set count (including mini sets) to 4?


Also bit confused by that. Wondering why we can't just make a regular V-Set that is 72 cards, instead of breaking it into 2 sets of 60 + 12? We don't need to follow WotC's model all the time, and a single 72 card set will make ordering / handling alot easier. Imagine if R&R was a 70 card set, which happened to include 10 additional Episode 1 pieces, wouldn't that be simpler?

That said, I'm loving the idea for the next mini-set :)


It's for fun, mostly. It really wouldn't be simpler if it were one 72 card set instead of a 60 card set with a 12 card micro set, it would be exactly the same. The micro set just allows us to explore some side-themes further, especially if they wouldn't fit into the theme of the main set. For example, none of the BoT pieces really fit the theme of Renegades and Rogues at all.

Yes, we could do just one bigger set, but there's literally no reason to do that over a big set and a micro set, and there's at least a couple of reasons to split them up.
billiv15
Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:58:27 PM
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Wedge772 wrote:
Ronson wrote:
This probably seems like a silly question to most of you, but is the Epic V-set going to become "canon" like the other V-sets? In other words, will they be playable and attainable to the whole community?

I am also confused about how these cards are being produced. I read somewhere that since the normal V-sets are 60 cards and the printers can print 72 cards they where looking for something to do with the other 12 cards. I thought that is where the idea for the Battle of Theed came from. Now there is a second mini set of 12 cards? All going to be released at Gencon? So there will be 3 sets released at Gencon bringing the total V-set count (including mini sets) to 4?


Also bit confused by that. Wondering why we can't just make a regular V-Set that is 72 cards, instead of breaking it into 2 sets of 60 + 12? We don't need to follow WotC's model all the time, and a single 72 card set will make ordering / handling alot easier. Imagine if R&R was a 70 card set, which happened to include 10 additional Episode 1 pieces, wouldn't that be simpler?

That said, I'm loving the idea for the next mini-set :)


I'll answer both questions. First, the Epic cards are entirely different than anything else we are doing, so they aren't at all connected to any printing numbers. Entirely different size, shape, style, etc. We picked 12 because we wanted at least 1 per faction, and had two other really good ideas. So don't include those in anything else, they are a solo consideration.

Second, why do 60 card set, and another 10-12. We have been discussing this, as we can also do 54 card sets for the same proportional cost of 72. And essentially what you've suggested is what we ended up doing, a 60 figure set, with a 10 figure mini-set based on a single battle theme.

Going forward, we expect to keep using that model for a couple of reasons. First, WotC did 60 card sets. Second, 60 cards allows enough room to give decent representation to all factions in a single set, something we want to always do, 54 makes that very very hard to do actually. 60 is a nice balance point.

But there is another reason to keep the additional 10-12 for a Battle pack. It allows us to focus a large number of cards to a small theme. For example in BoT, we are releasing a Rune Haako. I can promise you in a full 60 card set, RH would never make the cut. Doesn't mean we don't want to do one, but these kinds of things give us the ability to focus on 1-2-3 factions at a time very specifically, with multiple figures in mind. This is probably one of the main reasons Rob tended to do less factions in a set. Doing all 10 is really hard. Doing 2+fringe is much easier, and it makes for better more synergistic cards with each other. It also means figures that will be really cool, that probably wouldn't have been a top want for us, but still worth making, get made. For example in BoT, we got the chance to remake Padawan Obi and Maul, both of which are very cool and will be a lot of fun for years. Sure, we'd probably eventually have made both figures, but I can tell you, neither would likely have come out for a while. This year's winter small set is the Cantina Brawl - those of you who played the CCG will enjoy this tremendously. Obviously it will be mostly fringe figures but a couple of others are slated for it as well :). In the future, we are talking about doing battle packs for the NR-Legacy and the Old Republic Era. So for the design team it does provide something helpful and cool, and for the community it helps us get many of the fan favorite lesser characters made.

If you take a look at RaR, and insert now the 10 BoT minis, people would be complaining that we did way too many Seps and Republic pieces in the set. If you took CB and put it in set 3, people would be complaining about way too many XXX.

And finally, we also hope that the mini-sets one day become more than just additional cards. Sure, that's great too, but we think that battle packs are a great way to introduce people to our work, and to the game. It's much easier to sit down with 12 cards, divide them up, and teach someone the game than it is with 60. We have ideas for additional promotions and so on through out the year, which may or may not ever get anywhere, but the point is, I think its worth doing this way.
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I know this may have already have been posted somewhere, possibly even in this thread, however to save me trawling through everything again can someone please tell me how I will be able to get a hold of one of these sets of Epic Cards?

Thanks ;)
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That makes sense then. I think it's great to be able to focus on specific battles / themes like that, and I'm really hoping we'll get a Jabba's Palace set in future as well.

billiv15 wrote:
This year's winter small set is the Cantina Brawl - those of you who played the CCG will enjoy this tremendously. Obviously it will be mostly fringe figures but a couple of others are slated for it as well :).


... didn't want to be the first to say the name on the forums, but I love that! Maybe it's just because I was a CCG player, but the cantina aliens were always brilliant. Here's hoping for Djas Puhr, Bounty Hunter and BoShek, Smuggler (both able to draw battle destiny by themselves!). Plus the Greedo redo seems a pretty obvious figure too :)
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Wedge772 wrote:

billiv15 wrote:
This year's winter small set is the Cantina Brawl - those of you who played the CCG will enjoy this tremendously. Obviously it will be mostly fringe figures but a couple of others are slated for it as well :).


... didn't want to be the first to say the name on the forums, but I love that! Maybe it's just because I was a CCG player, but the cantina aliens were always brilliant. Here's hoping for Djas Puhr, Bounty Hunter and BoShek, Smuggler (both able to draw battle destiny by themselves!). Plus the Greedo redo seems a pretty obvious figure too :)


I am hoping for a more interesting Luke Farmboy, maybe with Distraction or something. Also a cool Old Ben Kenobi with Jedi reflexes or something.
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wannabe mexican wrote:
Wedge772 wrote:

billiv15 wrote:
This year's winter small set is the Cantina Brawl - those of you who played the CCG will enjoy this tremendously. Obviously it will be mostly fringe figures but a couple of others are slated for it as well :).


... didn't want to be the first to say the name on the forums, but I love that! Maybe it's just because I was a CCG player, but the cantina aliens were always brilliant. Here's hoping for Djas Puhr, Bounty Hunter and BoShek, Smuggler (both able to draw battle destiny by themselves!). Plus the Greedo redo seems a pretty obvious figure too :)


I am hoping for a more interesting Luke Farmboy, maybe with Distraction or something.


I'm guessing you can expect a Ponda Baba as well.

I'm also guessing you'll see your Luke, Fanboy in the epic set... oh wait you said Farmboy.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:24:12 AM
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And a Bea Arthur!

(Though I guess it would make sense to get Wuher first.)
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:48:15 AM
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Being that it's now Thur, feel free to post any spoilers you've heard about for Epic. Remember, the names we gave were simply the character, not necessarily the full figure's actual name. Thanks for keeping it hidden for a week.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:10:58 AM
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Thanks Bill. I'll let someone else post the list if they want.

I can't wait to see #3, stated as The Phantom Menace, at 144 points. Drool
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Right. On the SHNN it was said that in this EPIC set we are seeing SOMETHING that has only ever been seen in the Battle of Hoth set. The only characters unique to that set are Blizzard 1 and Veers Hologram. Thus, by my amazing powers of deduction and reasoning, we are either getting something with the Hologram ability OR a Rapport of more than 1 point. I find it hard to believe we have a Hologram worth over 100pt, so I am gonna have to go with Rapport. Of course I may be completely missing something here.

Also, Luke as the Rebel choice. I think this is the first addition to the game since WOTC dropped us that I actually think was poorly chosen. I just don't feel Luke was that great during the rebel years.

However, I am looking forward to seeing a Count Dooku duelling, Senate Hall trashing, Commander Gree beheading, X-Wing lifting Yoda. Levitate 3 anyone? So he can throw a Krayt Dragon around?
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wannabe mexican wrote:
Right. On the SHNN it was said that in this EPIC set we are seeing SOMETHING that has only ever been seen in the Battle of Hoth set. The only characters unique to that set are Blizzard 1 and Veers Hologram. Thus, by my amazing powers of deduction and reasoning, we are either getting something with the Hologram ability OR a Rapport of more than 1 point. I find it hard to believe we have a Hologram worth over 100pt, so I am gonna have to go with Rapport. Of course I may be completely missing something here.

Also, Luke as the Rebel choice. I think this is the first addition to the game since WOTC dropped us that I actually think was poorly chosen. I just don't feel Luke was that great during the rebel years.

However, I am looking forward to seeing a Count Dooku duelling, Senate Hall trashing, Commander Gree beheading, X-Wing lifting Yoda. Levitate 3 anyone? So he can throw a Krayt Dragon around?


Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the factions mentioned. I assumed Luke was Super Grand Master Luke and the Rebel was Yoda.
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wannabe mexican wrote:
Also, Luke as the Rebel choice. I think this is the first addition to the game since WOTC dropped us that I actually think was poorly chosen. I just don't feel Luke was that great during the rebel years.


He defeats the Emperor and fulfills the prophecy by turning his Father back. If it weren't for the EU books that took him to ridiculous levels, he would be still considered the most powerful jedi. Remember, Star Wars existed long before the ability to eat a planet was created. But let's no forget, Luke saved the galaxy from the Dark Side, and did so almost entirely on his own.

Now, he isn't just a 100pt Rebel version of the NR Luke GM anyway, so wait until you see him. But for those of us who remember the years where no other jedi could possibly outclass the Luke from RotJ, this character is for us. As for it being "poorly chosen" - I think only your choice of those words was poorly chosen. I understand others will agree with the opinion that Luke "wasn't that great as a Rebel" but the existence of that opinion does not make our choice poor. Luke was far and away the most important character in the Rebellion, and was the obvious choice for an Epic. "poor choice" would imply there were better one's that we ignored. That is patently untrue. Please name one character who fits this. I think you meant something else, but Luke was and is the best Rebel character, and his powers as a Rebel were quite great. I understand some of you, particularly the younger crowd won't accept that.
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