First off your doing an awful lot of twisting of my words when you say


That whole post had very tongue in cheek points and was laced with British dry whit.
I have never once critized anyone for taking the game seriously. We all care about the game or we wouldnt be here and I wouldnt have been the uk pointman.
I'm just enjoying this discussion.

Motti this is simply a geek out discussion, everything you say is relevent but you dont need me to tell you that!
But to apologise for caring about the game could seen as that you assume I dont!

I freely admit that my views are blinkered, those statements I have made are blinkered "from a certain point of view" and would probably be better labled 'opinions' than statements.
But they hopefully open the door for others reading them, for new ideas, new points of view, new interpretations.
The V-sets are doing a great job at taking things forward. But what happens when they hit a wall, thats been created by wotc and the way they made the game in the fisrt place?
I loved Boris "I hate mouse droids" thread over on Gamers.
That would possible be an example that they are hitting walls and are have to work really hard because they're handcuffed in mechanics and desingand by those $7.99 puppies.
Peoples crazies ideas and points of view make help pave the way for the more serious and useful ones.

For the game mechanics. Heres a question.
How bad would the shift in balance be for other factions if ever a sith vader or a rebel vader were made? And how long would it take to shift back?

If we ever got a rebel vader what would he look like?
lets try something.

Anankin Skywalker Redeemend/counts as Darth Vader
Imperial
34

Hit points 40
Defense 14
Attack 5,
Damage 10

Unique, melee
Affintiy Rebel
Speed 4,
Redemtion/final sacrifice (if this character rolls a natural 20 when making an attack against an adjacent enemy, that enemy and this character are immediatly defeated)
Momentum/Impulsive Momentum

Force 4
Master of the Force 2
knight speed
Overwhelming Force


If this was a legit set of stats and it appeard in the next set. Would it get played or ever make a competitive a squad?

I really did want to post again lol, i wrote that other biggy under Jack Daniels power, this one is now under caffeine control.

Flagging....

Lol - nice response! I suppose I could have made the comparison to German tanks being included, but I thought that was over the top, and further, someone might think I was referring to A&A Minis :)

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http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8788

Thanks Mandeld. Thats my point. There are minis out there that do nothing to progress or slow the game down.
I would say he is a fairly accurate interpretation of Vader at the point of where luke hammers him and Palps lights him up. He may be a little light on HP and Def but he's lost his fighting arm, saber and is physically and emotionally beaten. You can see what you could do with him but is it worth taking a risk building a squad for him? Nope, it would cost way too much to even make him semi serious game worthy. Like Boba/Jango Fett Bounty Hunter from BH, you'd like to use him more but whats the point when you can get better results else where.

If it was a geniune mini with card, people would be stoked to get him but then Rancor/C3PO ewok diety syndrome would set in. Nice mini but poor stats, relegated to the shelf to look good.

Quote edited to length, but awesome post. Very well articulated.

Oh ... ... you are in so much trouble now. I'm gonna have to fly halfway around the world and beat that silly, flawed thinking out of your thick-headed skull.


(yes, this is a joking post to poke a guy I like about a fig I like)


Cheers, Matt. I know he isn't everybody's favorite, but I think he's a useful fig. Maybe a Vassal match to show you.

While the odds are similar, I would say a Luke in Imp should be at least just as likely as Sith Vader. Luke was more clearly a part of Imp under Clone Palp than Vader was a part of the Sith agenda. Not that I am advocating either.

Luke was clearly part of the Imp faction, albeit for a brief period of time. Though I would not recommend creating a new Imp Luke. The route I would take would be to create a Clone Palp who had affinity for bringing in a Luke.

Anywho, I just thought the greater odds of Sith Vader than Imp Luke funny.

That's a 2/1000 chance, so talk to me again when we are making V-set 9. Hmm, on second thought, I think listed the chances of each too high by a factor of 10 :)

As for Vader being in the sith faction in the game i dunno about that one. As Bill said in the first post i mean techically he's only a sith for like 3 days movie time seeing as it was right before Palpatine announced the Empire deal to the senate. Even though he might be a sith in training, he still is in the imperial faction. When it comes to this game you have both of those factions and the majority of things Vader does in the original trilogies are more of a dictator for the empire & less of a sith, he might train as a sith but still capturing leia, protecting the deathstar etc. are him acting as an Imperial agent not sith. He just trains as a sith when it comes to using the force in which through the original trilogy you dont really ever see him in his training so i stay keep him imperial or ani republic.

As for Sidious & Maul being seps & also having pieces of them in the sith faction, this makes sense to me because Sidious was training by Plaegius, even though it dont specifically confirm this i mean imo its obvious. Maul was trained as a sith by sidious. In Phantom Menace everything sidious does along with maul seems sith to me. Mauls hatred for the Jedi, his red & black sith tattoo's, Sidious' hate for the jedi & also both of them hate the federation too. I mean just how Maul dresses in Sith Robes, Sidious Dresses in Sith Robes you dont really 100% see Sidious' transformation to seps 100% untill Episode 2 when Dooku obviously is a sep as we. But Sidious has so many Alerter ego's to where your able to put him in republic, sith & seps so he's basically manipulating alot of factions to get in them for the purpose of making an empire and he be the emperor, so sidious being in Sith i can see that, he was trained as a sith.

Now back to vader, he might of recieved sith training in later years but he was a jedi before that, and like i said you really dont see his sith training in the movies, he jumps right from republic to serving an emperor & an empire. He does more along the lines of imperial duties rather than sith. The only real sith duty he might do that i can think of is try getting luke to turn to the dark side in which when he does this A. he cant get luke to turn, and this is for like 1 day tops in movie time which IMO could be considered a sith thing but not enough time. I would just say Sidious, Maul there sith counterparts are fine IMO, Ani/Vader never really did full sith training because of all the work he had to do for the empire in an imperial fashion. Just IMO

I much prefer a poll to 6 pages of arguing. I have my opinion, and I'd like to see solid numbers on where the majority is leaning rather than count the for and against posts on this thread. Too bad sithborg closed the poll.