We already have a NR Grand Master Luke, no reason to remake that. Luke is Rebel and Yoda is Republic. How epic could a Rebel Yoda be? He can't attack or anything, it'd just a souped up Yoda of Dagobah which wouldn't be all that great in Dynamic Duo.

The key here being "by turning his Father back". Luke wasn't able to defeat Vader without drawing on anger/dark side. He was utterly crushed by the Emperor.

So for an Epic character, I'd assume the main power would have to be things like super-inspiration of his allies, Enhanced Dark Temptation (both enhanced power and enhanced immunity to turning), withstanding pain, and turning other characters to his side. Not at all what we traditionally think of when we think of a powerful character - in raw power the Emperor clearly had him beat. But in game terms, I could see this add up to a 150+ point character. I'm looking forward to seeing it. In terms of raw power, Luke CotF is about as good as it should get - still clearly less than the 70+ point vaders.

Now that we know we have an Epic Rebel Luke - let's take a shot at 150 points...

Luke Skywalker, Balance of the Force

Cost: 150ish
HP: 140
Def: 21
Atk: 16
Dmg: 20

Special Abilities:
Double Attack, Greater Mobile Attack, Melee Attack
Inspired: When within 6 Squares of an allied force spirit or an ally with a force rating, double this character's Force Renewal and double the number of Force Points this character may spend in a round.
Inspiring: Allies gain Avoid Defeat.
Parry, Mettle
Flurry Attack
Lightsaber Combat 10: Whenever this character avoids damage by rolling a save, the attacking enemy takes 10 damage.
I Will Not Turn: Before this character joins another squad, roll a save. On a save of 6, prevent this character from joining another squad.

Force Powers:
Force 4, Force Renewal 2, Master of the Force 2
Knight Speed
Force Leap
Lightsaber Deflect
Greater Dark Temptation (Force 2: +4 attack, +30 Damage, make a save of 11, on failure join opponent's squad)
Greater Use the Force (Force 2: this character's next two attack rolls count as a natural 20)
Redemption: (Force 2: When this character takes damage, select an enemy within 6 squares. The enemy joins your squad for the rest of the skirmish, save 6)

Commander Effect:
Allies gain Coordination (At the end of this character's turn, an ally with Coordination within 6 squares may immediately move 2 squares.)


(Clarification: That's my speculation - not a spoiler.)

This is probably way too weak or way too powerful for 150ish points, but that's what I came up with in just a few minutes.

At 120+ points, they better all be "suped up fanboy versions" or they're all wayyyyyyy overcosted.

Looking only at his jedi powers at the time, I'd agree, but in terms of plot... there's enough there to add up to "epic" by adding in things that can

* easily turn an enemy or
* give ridiculous inspiration to allies or
* allow him to get major dark-side bonuses.

(See my quick attempt above.)

lol, I think I could make up an epic Rebel yoda of dagobah. This is probably based on right when Order 66 was initiated to when he spent his last years in dagobah. Something along the lines of:
Cost: 100
HP: 150
DEF: 22
ATK: +0
DMG: 0

SA

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Unique
Intuition
Avoid Defeat
Mettle
Stealth
Light Tutor
Meditation (Replaces turn. This character gains +3 force)

Force Powers:

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Force 6; Renewal 6; MotF 5
Force Defense
Surprise Move
Force Push 1 (Just for the heck of it :p)
Levitation 3 (Force 3; replaces attacks. One huge or smaller character within 6 squares is moved to another space within 6 squares)
Force Alter 2 (Force 2; one character within 6 squares rerolls last roll at -4)
Force Stun
Force Spirit 8


CE
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Allied character start with +3 Force (even if they do not have a force rating). Allied characters gain Force Renewal 1. Allied characters may spend this characters Force Points up to two times per turn. Allies gain +4 DEF. Allies gain Avoid Defeat and Mettle.

This critter will probably never die...Intuition; Stealth; Avoid Defeat and Mettle will keep him alive for a looooong time...

Wishful thinking...:P

Obi-Wan from ANH could have been epic. He wasn't 'defeated' by Darth Vader after all, and Vader was certainly worthy of an epic piece.

I think Yoda could have been, too. That would have been an interesting one.

But I think Luke was a good choice, too. The only reason it seems weird is that the Rebel Luke would be 'better' than GMLS.

I don't expect ANY of them to be suped of fanboy versions. Why, because fanboy version are usually skewed into poor representation of each character, instead I expect them to be more like all encompassing of the characters at the pinnacle of their power, but I guess my expectations were too great, oh well.

I will grant you that an epic Rebel is a tough one, Obiwan and Starkiller do seem more valid options than Luke, but perhaps something more grand - think multi unique or vehicle (chewbacca in AT-ST perhaps).

Growing up my faves were always Han Solo and Darth Vader, The reason I never believed Luke to be all that is right there in the movies - he's clearly portrayed as the underdog in the final battle, and not as some macho good guy bad@**.

Of course he's the underdog - only 4 years of training versus probably the TWO most powerful Sith ever. (Arguments about which one of the two was more powerful... and Bane lovers, too... please take the argument to another thread.) But he is a portrait of courage to walk in there, and a portrait of character to not turn.

(Of course the whole idea that attacking evil will make you evil is pretty screwy, and the rest of the Star Wars franchise pretty well ignores that idea anyway, but that's also another thread.)

Cue scene in the Sarlacc from Robot Chicken.

Epic R2-D2

Cost: 150
HP: 30
Def: 16
Atk: 0
Dmg: 0

Special Abilities:
Override
Droid Hero: If you are about to lose the game, on a save of 2 you instead win the game.