Are we good here? The friendly neighborhood Balance Team is officially looking into issues, we've all explained our views on Fett and Double Swap, and Jak still says it's Duck Season. I think there's nothing left to discuss

no one complained about the new republic squad being to good, if i remember correctly.

Edit* complaints about Boba and all this started before Gencon.

To be fair, he said "bitches," because we really needed to get our daily allowance of sexism in for the day.

Rather than just saying this is the same old crap. Why don't we try shifting the discussion in a more productive direction.

What are some things that could be done to either counter act control or boost the struggling factions?

I'm still surprised about that. Mando Demo is t1

This attitude is so tiring. I don't want to hear that in six months things may be fixed. That is what is said come every set, yet here we are still facing some of the same fundamental problems of NPE in the game. Wir fertig?



Really. You played a piece you didn't think was all that good at Gencon, finished in the top 8 with it, and then proceed to say he isn't even good? If I recall, yours was the team to beat, or so some thought, but here you are to tell us you just played him in the preeminent tournament and that he's only OK? Does not compute.

Boba AFH should be at least 55 pts IMHO. Preparing for GenCon I learned how easily Atmsalad beat my rock squads with Boba AFH and Dr. Evazan. Autodamage is a powerful option to have. I don't think that combo should cost less than Dr. E with Cade Bane.

So I ended up playing double swap too because... eh I wanted to win.
I didn't use Boba because I didn't trust myself with just one attacker and I like to be different.

With Boba, I think the GenCon results are an indication that he's a very strong piece who needs some consideration. I'm certainly sympathetic to arguments that he could cost more. I totally agree with fingersandteeth that he's not the biggest issue, but I'm certainly open to looking at him.

But the specific squads that made the top 8 this GenCon are, to some extent, irrelevant.

In the top 8, Boba featured in:
Two double swap squads
One high activation single swap squad
One Fringe squad
One Republic squad (support shooter for GOWK and Mace)

To my current way of thinking, it looks like there's strong community support for:
i) Neutering double swap
ii) Removing 2 point pieces

If double swap's gone from the meta going forward, the other high activation Imperial squad largely existed as a counter to it. So while Boba had 5 squads in the GenCon top 8, to a large extent they were the product of the current narrow meta. But I certainly think the Fringe build is strong, and I think there's a good squad with Thrawn somewhere, it might just look more conventional, like a two attacker squad with Morrigan for support.

So what I want to know, as a member of the balance team, is:
What do you think the best builds for Boba will be going forward, if we assume that the Imperial Governor is neutered and 2 point pieces are not possible. I'm much more interested in knowing what the best builds would look like with no 2 point pieces and no reliable double swap.

I'm also interested in thoughts on how well single swap, single attacker, high activation Boba squads will work.



Bill finished outside of the top 8.

--new boba--
50 Boba Fett, Assassin for Hire
32 Thrawn (Mitth'raw'nuruodo)
28 Mira of Nar Shaddaa
27 Lobot
16 Admiral Gilad Pellaeon
11 Admiral Ozzel
8 Mas Amedda
4 Gran Raider
3 Mouse Droid
15 Rodian Brute x5
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2

(200pts. 16 activations)

or if the single offensive piece works

--new boba--
50 Boba Fett, Assassin for Hire
32 Thrawn (Mitth'raw'nuruodo)
27 Lobot
16 Admiral Gilad Pellaeon
11 Admiral Ozzel
8 Mas Amedda
4 Gran Raider
3 Mouse Droid
15 Rodian Brute x14
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2

(200pts. 25 activations)

although i think the 2nd squad loses badly to yobuck swap. Perhaps the 1st one does too.

Without the double swap, everything changes

+10,000