Ouch timmerB!
I was looking forward to your response..
You literally have nothing to say but some attempt at humor/ignoring tactic?
KO jen'ari

I know the type, if you act like it wasn't a competition you can't be beat..
But you were challenged whether you accept or not is up to you, I guess. But I know enough about history to know what it means to not accept a challenge.


I am not a purist like jen'ari, but I do like the thoughts spread here about how needed flavor is

who taught you this load of crap lol? you should absolutely defend things that are facts or quantifiable. You should defend them with sound rhetoric and proof. there is tons of it to show that this view of baze that has been presented is not really accurate to the character, and quite a few people have expressed some issue with the special ability selection for him. it's not just me and jen'ari.

I like the last line... we don't design to satisfy the opinion of one designer... that's historically false. I am not sure about the current state of affairs but there are PLENTY of past designers that wouldn't budge at all on their designs, and frankly I have heard some of them may be making a comeback.... and that just sucks for everyone

On a warm summer's eve
On a train bound for nowhere
I met up with the gambler
We were both too tired to sleep
So we took turns a-starin'
Out the window at the darkness
The boredom overtook us,
And he began to speak

He said, "Son, I've made a life
Out of readin' people's faces
Knowin' what the cards were
By the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind me sayin'
I can see you're out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey
I'll give you some advice"

So I handed him my bottle
And he drank down my last swallow
Then he bummed a cigarette
And asked me for a light
And the night got deathly quiet
And his faced lost all expression
He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Every gambler knows
That the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for is to die
in your sleep

And when he finished speakin'
He turned back toward the window
Crushed out his cigarette
And faded off to sleep
And somewhere in the darkness
The gambler he broke even
But in his final words
I found an ace that I could keep

Heres some encouragement not be a quitting pansy in the future...

DON'T QUIT! Your Destiny's Waiting On You! New Mo…: https://youtu.be/Z6hABwGD8lc

Bait taken, I'm responding to this personal slam . . .

I never complained when mom said no when I wanted ice cream.
When my nose was broken by a baseball in little league, I never cried once.
In college, I stepped out in front of street thug with a gun so a frightened family could get out of harms way.
After being fired from my first job out of college, I put on a suit and interviewed until I found another job.
When my daughter died, I held her in my arms and smiled for pictures so my wife would have good memories.

I've designed on 2 V-sets with; Daniel, Weeks, Tim B, Jason K, Jake K, & Lillywan.
None of those people would call me a pansy. I've won my fair share of arguments against them.
I'm entirely capable of expressing my opinion and standing my ground.
I do my best to make sound arguments and not behave like a jurk.

But your right, I must be a Pansy because I got out-voted on the FLAVOR of Base Malbus.
You're entirely justified to be pissed off and have your feelings hurt because of the lack of FLAVOR.
Unlike me, you are obviously not a pansy and able to think rationally.

Thank you for pointing this out to me.
Now that you mention it, I didn't get the President I wanted either . . .
boo hoo . . . I'm such a pansy!

Not really sure how to respond to you dark dracul... first I'll say I am sorry for your loss I have five children and can't imagine that pain.

Calling you a pansy is in reference to your post about giving up when the majority says something. I just don't understand and can never agree with that thought process. For instance I don't care how many people thought it was ok for an obi-wan to be able to be a sith. I would have fought that til the release date, and even then I would be fighting it now.

I guess what I am saying is that theme or getting the flavor of a character right means as much to me as playing the game does. I didn't play test for like 7 sets and I still looked at every single set for exciting new pieces and what they did based on their names it's important.

Names are important, character, flavor are all incredibly important its what makes this game the game love I could play the rules and functions the same way with dungeons and dragons minis,etc by it wouldn't be the same without the flavor...without the starwars

I'm glad so many people are so passionate about Star Wars Miniatures. :)

1. Double is fine! And Twin isn't even flavorful
2. 10 damage is horrid... I agree... BUT... He is in a faction with crazy damage boosts! Function over Flavor!
3. Furious Assault I feel I proved may be the most flavorful piece! You should know, we played the SWRPG together! Is each square not 5/10 feet?! And Did Baze not run atleast 60 feet at one point while shooting everything!?
4. Attack being dependent on others is Function over Flavor. BUT at the same time. Show me a scene where he shot anything crazy! I'll come over and watch the movie with you tomorrow!

And 5.... Sucker Punch is amazing! The idea alone is brilliant, and not enjoying the intelligence in it CLEARLY nullifies your SWM opinions... Your lucky you married my sister, otherwise I'd hate you

Holy piss shmi15.

you are literally still this ignorant. Remember all those fights I had? this is it... right here...



true, it is easy to design with restriction, but it is not always necessary. Take Baze for instance, wouldn't giving him base 20 damage solve the problem of him getting twin? and thus solving the need for giving him Single Shot Blaster? This literally solves 2 flavor issues with the piece.

yep, the walking contradiction.


everyone knows that some sacrifice is necessary, but it should be the least sacrifice possible.

Even in Rebels, without restricting, there is a way to create a non OP Baze that is flavorful. Laziness should not be accepted.

base 10 damage

well he could have access if you take a different route with the design.
so he should not get twin attack, lets say we agree. From a function stand point he does not need twin attack. Let's make sure that happens. Ok first step, do not give him twin, ok check.
second step make sure he can't get twin. Single Shot Blaster... ok it does not quite fit. so lets keep it around as a last resort.
He is a rebel, how does he have access to twin? Czerka and the Spec guy both with Blaster Upgrade. Well Blaster Upgrade has a specific trigger for base 10 damage. He is not going to have base 10 damage. There is no way he can get twin, that problem is no longer an issue.


not at all.

yes he did he showed twin attack at its absolute finest. The first trooper he kills in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK1rMj_sWS8
He did, also, shoot 7 people in a second. He could have 100% shot anyone he wanted to however many times (up to 7) he wanted to in the same amount of time.

Not that I think he should, but he could. He has a rifle that shoots 7 times almost instantly... very very fast shooting, that is why. the ability to pull a trigger that fast that many times clearly gives him the capability of having twin attack. The question is "Does he have a Single Shot Blaster"? that answer is NO. there is no getting around that.

Yes because his gun can shoot rapidly, don't be dense. he didn't what??? he didn't shoot rapidly?? my goodness man.
a gun being fired Shmi15 is an inanimate object. He could do whatever he wants with that gun. If he wanted to shoot one guy 7 times there is no reason why he can't. He HAS without a doubt proven that the potential for that is there.

he furious assaulted? when?

yep when he shot everyone he was standing still.
you do know that he was walking very very slowly right? you do know that in the realm of SWM that would have taken up at least 2 rounds right? think about it. he shot, got shot, shot, fell down, shot, the guy was going to throw a grenade shot him, falls again, grenade blows up... This is not a one turn situation. This is 2 turns with enemies having turns in between.. So he did not, by any means, do that in one turn, this the enemy has 3 characters and you have 1 and he wins initiative the second round...


Who was Baze shooting while running to Imwe?

ARE YOU AN IDIOT?!
you would argue that he ran 60 feet while shooting people and than you ask the question was he running and answer it with a NO?
what kind of an idiot does that?
he did not run. So essentially what you are saying is that this Baze should fit two activations into one? If that is the case than just give him an ability
Fantasy (this character can do 2 full activations in the same turn)

You cannot stretch it that far, it snapped a long time ago.

thats it, boom. nothing more matters, literally. everything else has to be worked through. All the crappy bonuses we have in Rebels (and we keep getting more) have to be thought about and a way to work it has to be found while maintaining the FACT that his attack should be higher than an 8.

there are ways around this. As I have said before. GMA is it an issue? he has a replaces turn ability.

my goodness I do not miss this level of thought at all. I am getting a K'kruhk migraine all over again.

he did not furious assault anyone in that scene. he walked and twin shotted a guy, and than kept walking..... furious assault he has to STOP and shoot everyone. not this guy. this guy did a Strafe attack more than anything else...

which begs the friggin question why is CASSIAN HELPING BAZE??? why does he have to have synergy with IMWE?? 2 people with one of the coolest connections in the verse and instead of something cool (check out donnyrides Imwe Loyalty) they get Synergy!?! in a FACTION WITH ATTACK BONUSES EVERYWHERE?!!!
you are saying it is a problem, while making more problems...

once again, he hit everything he shot at. literally everything. There is no reason to think he would, all the sudden, miss a commander.. The lack of opportunity does not give him the feat, but his other feats have shown that he can and would replicate the same feat. What commander is so powerful that cannot be shot?? Erso's friggin wife shot Krennic in the shoulder for crying out loud.

HUGE minus for flavor and not really a plus for function since there are better ways to make the function fit.
i would go triple
agreed
agreed on first but synergy is not needed and his defense sucked, he got shot by troopers, relied on armor.
agreed
agreed
not functional at all considering other problems in Rebels with atk rating and because it adds to his problem of having a base 8 atk (it could have been a 10), so its not flavorful either.
I just tore your weak attempt apart, there is no defense for those abilities at all
once again not true either.

All I see here is politics and sacrificing representation for function. function that I do not see as needed.

by gones cannot be by gones when people try to defend the undefendable.

Cheers! But to be fair, I did say those things were bad? I just justified them with SWM functionality. Except twin attack, which I will agree with you on he did in fact do it in the movie. But I will stay with the idea of function over flavor. It fits both ways. He obviously doesn't twin everyone. So not every Baze should have it? I forgot the other things you said. But I love the effort! I'm curious tho... Since flavor means everything to you... What kind of squads do you run? Hopefully you never run a Mouse Droid... Because thats ridiculously bad flavor.... Surely you never run Mas Amedda, who booms all CE because he spoke in the Senate really loud? Have you ever actually seen an Ugnaught blow open a door? And Lobot, don't get me started... He can bring in Bobba Fett with reserves! Or some musicians from a Cantina! How stupid is that?! And since when did Imperial Knights become more evasive than any other Jedi! Surely you don't play any Imperial Knight Squads!?