For those asking how they can help.

Running solid squads that should have a chance against Daala (and some Daala variant changing up charging fire, the slaver, rapport, etc) to see how everything plays out. For instance if Daala is just as good (or nearly so) without the slaver, that is very good info to know. Or if Charging +10 vs regular charging doesn't make a difference, that is also very valuable.

I think it'll be most helpful to test the squads that we think have a chance at beating Daala.

Squads to test against Daala:

--Lancer: whether Double Lancer (with GGDAC) or Single Lancer (aka NPE Extreme), both of these are potential counters to Daala. Tim is an expert with the Single Lancer and he has already said that it loses to a Daala/Zygerrian squad, but has a 60/40 advantage over a Daala squad with no Zygerrian; I'd love to see that match played out a couple of times. I'd also be curious to see how the Double Lancer does...in some ways it's more durable than the Single Lancer squad, but in other ways it might also be more susceptible to deep strikes, since it'll be outactivated more quickly.
--Yobuck: whether with Skybuck or another solid Yobuck squad, this matchup has to be tested a few times. Many people are saying that Yobuck might be Daala's strongest counter; if that's true, I'd like to see some results. I've played Yobuck a lot over the years and so I expect I'll give that one a test or two at some point next weekend.
--Any hate squad that has a decent chance of being at least semi-able to handle other squads. Who knows? There may yet be a silver bullet that is actually decent vs other things. I remember back in the B&B days, when IKG discovered the power of San Hill squads, which could reliably beat B&B, and were quite decent vs most other squads too.

Those are my suggestions. I'm sure there are lots of other good choices too.

I think playing each of the top 12 squads from last season against Daala would be worthwhile. See if they have a fighting chance. Even if they lose, it would be good to know if there was there any chance of a win if some rolls went the other way.

See this thread for the squads: http://www.bloomilk.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13115


In terms of Daala squads to use:

* Clearly Dr Daman's Raxus Primes are worth further testing.
* There are plenty of snowtrooper variants worth testing. Here's a high activation one: http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/137589/daala-high-activation
* Would removing Zygerrians fix things? Here's a squad that uses no Zygerrians: http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/137832/daala-no-zygerrian

Tim,

Did you play this one out? NPE Extreme will out-activate any Daala squad and the Lancer has greater range than the troopers (although they shoot). He should be able to get one good strafe in. Although 'good' may only mean half of the troopers, and you probably can't move far enough to hide from return fire, so the Lancer likely dies after one strafe.

How about the elite scout trooprer build? Both the lancer and YoBuck don't have enough damage to take them out in 1 run plus it relies less heavily on the slaver

@ gholli69. Pelleaon can't switch himself out, as he is not his own ally. (Made me sad when I learned that)

http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/128694/bad-g-a-s-

No attack - but it is the best Caedus squad out there. Won the Chicago regional and placed higher than any other Caedus squad at GenCon.

It is a head scratcher that everyone thinks of Caedus with Malgus or Zannah is the best way to go. It feels like a no brainer to me that having a higher activation Caedus squad that can bring in a swoop bike and has powerful, nasty guns is a much better way to take advantage of Sith Battle Manipulation. You can pull out commanders or key pieces from ACROSS THE BOARD and light them up. Much better than melee. I don't care how much damage negation you have - you have, you need a good offense to win star wars miniatures games.

Back to the topic at hand - though I think it IS the best Caedus squad I've seen (by a good margin), it still gets clownstomped by Daala squads. End of round 1 they can go in and kill Jaq, or BOTH of the Galactic Alliance Special Guards. Or go the easy way and go in and kill Lobot and the Swoop round 1. That is if you don't want to just go in and kill Caedus straight up (attack, free attack from Flim, win init, attack again). If you bring the MTB with Caedus, then you just kill the tech first.

I had forgotten Aing Tii - but in a way that's a bonus for the Daala squad if you use it to kill a trooper. Using 3 (very precious) FPs to kill a 4pt piece. Absolutely if you have to do it - then do it.

Thinking more about it - a smart Daala player would force Caedus to do just that. I think they would go in and kill both G.A.S.G.s, then win init and kill Lobot. After that, Jaq has to do all the door opening, and then you have nobody to shoot.

You're right you do have options, but I think like virtually every squad versus this insane power combo - you'll end up stuck in a corner, watching troopers get launched across the board to pick your squad apart while you can do virtually nothing.

That's the issue in a nutshell. Even well build squads with lots of options (like Bad G.A.S.) that should be able to at least have a chance vs ANYTHING, have virtually no chance vs a well build, well played Daala squad
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What about Using Revan Sith Lord, Wyrlock, Lord Kaan, lobot, Atton Jaq, and a Klat. Capt. You bring in 2 Zygerrains and a Mynock and 2 uggies with lobot, then use the Zygerrians to get the flying mynock past any "walls" right to Dalaa and whoever else is close and then drop Kaan in to bomb the commanders and neuter the troopers.