Sweet 8lb 10oz Baby Jesus, This is the best thing I have read yet!!

This Guy!!!

Really this discussion needs to be split in 2.

Competitive and Casual.

Players who want to participate in competitive events should discuss what excites them.

Players who want to participate in casual events should do the same.

Some people like doing some of both, and that's great.


It does no good throwing in your 2 cents (or more) on something you'll never participate in.


And to be blunt, many people commenting here have never been to GenCon, and never will come to GenCon.


I'll be frank. If the only thing in the vast world of Gaming and other joyous nerdery is SWM - GenCon may not be worth the trip. GenCon is a Mecca of so many amazing things, there are so many reasons to go. Even if SWM is your main passion (it is mine), you should still go to GenCon for GENCON, not just for SWM.

So really this conversation is more about - for those planning on going to GenCon, what events would excite you?

Not - how do we change the game?

In fact, I will double down.

To all the "casual players" who have never been to GenCon (and this is sincere)

Get together and come up with an exact format you'd like to play. Ban figures, change rules, do whatever you like. Make 1 difinitive rules set for a single tournament.

We can literally run that tournament.

As a measure of goodwill, I will personally buy the ticket for that tournament for any first time GenCon attendee who participates in that discussion and comes to play the format they helped create.

Other casual players can join the tournament too. I won't play in the tournament (I think this would be a plus for some).

This can actually happen. It is up to you.

It started out that way for me too, but my interest has broadened. Still the cammaraderie is the #1 reason.

You still kind of proved my point. You go to the dealers hall, you play other games. Nothing wrong with SWM being your main focus (it is mine too) but it shouldn't be the ONLY thing you do.

Regardless, you are "hardcore competitive". My main point is that it would NOT be the same for a "casual" SWM player

I vote TimmerB as President. A man for the people. This is a fantastic idea as far as grooming to the casual gamers. And I think there should 100% be something specifically designed by the casual community, as an event for GenCOn ONLY IF THEY SHOW UP THO. If the idea of signing up by December is still happening, you would know then if its worth setting something up for them.

Progress Progress Progress... slow slow slow :)

+1

Nope. I made no excuses. You missed. The point is that these were examples of pieces intended for casual purposes that ended up being a problem for competitive play. I remember a comment from some of the PTers on Poggle. I asked specifically about the potential of using mass bombs (the 12-15 you suggested). They believed it would never be worth it. So we went with what PT said. Guess what, PT was wrong. The idea of Poggle wasn't competitive. It was to have a small use for the drones, to combat Yoda on Kybuck and Lancer. I even recall pointing out that it could be used with Lancers at the time.

But let me ask this. Tell me one example when you or any of your friends brought 12-15 drones to the table for a casual game? Name it, date, time, and opponent. I want confirmation that this actually happened. Because what you are doing is bitc.hing about a problem that came up from competitive abuse of Poggle, as if it had any affect on casual gamers. And I'm calling BS.

As to the change to GOWK, the blame goes directly back to casual gamers wishes as well. They by a wide margin asked for it to be changed back. Dean Miller agreed and we ended up taking a vote on it. It passed. I preferred no change, but was willing to let the community wishes prevail. I was right. Casual gamers were wrong. Congrats on that one.

As for Panaka. You are wrong yet again. It takes a ton of skill to play it. Maybe your inability to beat it had something to do with your own skill at the game. But hey, easier to blame Engineer. But I'll give you this. The Theed Palace mini expansion was an error from the start. Dean had given Engineer solo design privileges on it and he designed in isolation until very late in the time frame. It had little to no PT. I had to make drastic changes to the figures at the last minute to tone them way down. We did our best on it. And my goal in that was to make sure he hadn't broken the game (which the original designs would have before I intervened). That was the first V-set. We learned a lot from that, and did not repeat that set up for design again. It was never an intention to do it that way, just worked out so.

But just as I asked with Poggle. Tell me date, time, location, and opponent who showed up with mass naboo troopers and beat you. I'm betting again, you didn't know jack crap about it until it was brought up online nearly 2 years later from competitive players who btw, were otherwise casual gamers, who loved the Naboo troopers because they could play a swarm competitively for the first time. I can name two people who started playing in Gencon because of Panaka for example.


Nope. You don't know me, where I've played, how I've played, or any of that sort. What you are upset about is 3 years ago you weren't listened to and didn't get your way. You are a classic narcissistic. And you personally have done more harm to the community than anyone else on this board with your constant need for attention.


You haven't helped in years. And when you did, it was minuscule and totally self serving.

In fact, based on what we know from some of the comments. What you all did was attempt to undermine the community from the outset.

Competitive play is like 8 events a year. Please tell me how many you've organized, when and where. What the attendance was, and how much time and personal money you sunk into making it happen.

Because its way, way, way past time for you to move on and leave people who've given tons of hours and money to keep this game alive the heck alone. You are a troll and nothing more.

+1 I'll be there. But don't make it coincide with the Champs or I'll choose champs.

WOW! Tim, this is such a great idea I'm glad I was sitting down when I read it!